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Try reading my illiterate friend.
I did read your patent nonsense, that's why I said what I did.

You don't even know what microstutter looks like if you think it has ANYTHING TO DO with a 'popping' effect. That's just plain old STUTTER which anyone w/a speck of understanding about gaming would understand.

Furthermore, its NOT situation specific like 'when explosions happen'. You are mistaking performance issues with microstutter just because you read some article about SLI having it somewhere, and so you think you see it all the time.

And you were asked what you do to detect/confirm that it's happening, and you had no answer. You DESCRIBED what's happening for you, you did not explain how you know it's microstutter. In fact, it's obvious that, in reality, for all your talk of expertise, you have no idea how to actually test for it, no idea what it actually looks like.

Tell you what, I provided you with a link wherein I described THE EXACT PROCESS, IN DETAIL, by which you can actually prove or disprove whether microstutter is occurring.

Maybe you should try it out. You might actually learn something.
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@OP

SLI is not the norm for games. It is a niche market. I'd say 90% or more of people sporting a high end video card are sporting only one.

SLI has always been a niche market. Perhaps it is becoming a bit more mainstream with enhancements in drivers and usability, but I'm fairly certain it will remain a niche market for some time to come.
    
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I did read your stupid nonsense, that's why I said what I did.

You don't even know what microstutter looks like if you think it has ANYTHING TO DO with a 'popping' effect. That's just plain old STUTTER you dimwit.

Furthermore, its NOT situation specific like 'when explosions happen'. You are mistaking performance issues with microstutter just because you read some article about SLI having it somewhere, and so you think you see it all the time.

And you were asked what you do to detect/confirm that it's happening, and you had no answer. You DESCRIBED what's happening for you, you did not explain how you know it's microstutter. In fact, it's obvious that, in reality, for all your talk of expertise, you have no idea how to actually test for it, no idea what it actually looks like.

Tell you what, I provided you with a link wherein I described THE EXACT PROCESS, IN DETAIL, by which you can actually prove or disprove whether microstutter is occurring.

Maybe you should try it out. You might actually learn something.
Brett, just ignore him.

It's painfully obvious he has no idea what he's talking about, and he's far too caught up on what he believes to be 'microstutter' to see past the fact that he's wrong...and he's resorted to insults, name calling and memes (along with citing subjective experiences via YouTube as empirical data), which I believe is somehow supposed to make his 'factual' arguments more viable? Oh boy.

I have had:

8800GTs in SLI, 260-216s in SLI, a 9800GX2, a 4870x2, a GTX 295 (still do), 470s in SLI, 480s in SLI and now a GTX 590.

Through all of those cards (holy crap I didn't even realize the sheer amount over the past few years), I can say the only real, noticeable evidence of 'microstutter' came with the 8800GTs in SLI, as well as the 9800GX2. And to be honest, that was probably due to the fact that SLI was just becoming somewhat more mainstream during the era of those cards and the drivers had yet to catch up to the hardware in terms of efficiency and proper balancing/scaling.

Everything else...was perfectly fine when run in tandem.

To this day, actually, i am still amazed when a very small, minute percentage of SLI/CF users complain about 'microstutter,' because for every 10 that do, there's probably 1000 that are running the same or similar setups without issues.

The hardware and the drivers are too far matured to this point that, really, 'microstuttering' is pretty much a non-issue for the overwhelming/vast majority of SLI and CF users.
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post #54 of 72
OT:
The creditability of 'facts' diminishes when the 'facts' are coming out of a foul mouth.
There is no need to use that kind of language.
Let us all be reminded, including myself.

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YOU WERE WRONG, and unlike ME, who proved myself to be a real man by having the integrity to admit above to misspeaking, you are simply incapable of admitting it.
+1 for your manhood
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post #55 of 72
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Originally Posted by jcde7ago View Post
Brett, just ignore him.

It's painfully obvious he has no idea what he's talking about, and he's far too caught up on what he believes to be 'microstutter' to see past the fact that he's wrong...and he's resorted to insults, name calling and memes (along with citing subjective experiences via YouTube as empirical data), which I believe is somehow supposed to make his 'factual' arguments more viable? Oh boy.

I have had:

8800GTs in SLI, 260-216s in SLI, a 9800GX2, a 4870x2, a GTX 295 (still do), 470s in SLI, 480s in SLI and now a GTX 590.

Through all of those cards (holy crap I didn't even realize the sheer amount over the past few years), I can say the only real, noticeable evidence of 'microstutter' came with the 8800GTs in SLI, as well as the 9800GX2. And to be honest, that was probably due to the fact that SLI was just becoming somewhat more mainstream during the era of those cards and the drivers had yet to catch up to the hardware in terms of efficiency and proper balancing/scaling.

Everything else...was perfectly fine when run in tandem.

To this day, actually, i am still amazed when a very small, minute percentage of SLI/CF users complain about 'microstutter,' because for every 10 that do, there's probably 1000 that are running the same or similar setups without issues.

The hardware and the drivers are too far matured to this point that, really, 'microstuttering' is pretty much a non-issue for the overwhelming/vast majority of SLI and CF users.
Yeah, dude, I know. I shouldn't let obvious trolls troll me so obviously.

Over the past few years I've run:
GTX295
GTX295 quad-sli
4870 crossfire
5850 crossfire
GTX280 SLI
GTX470 SLI
GTX480 SLI

(all these rigs I've built during the time that FD has been stuck playing his torrented games on his tired-ass, run-down 8800GT/A64 setup and looking at pr0nz down in his mom's basement whenever he gets done with his part-time job at 7-11).

The only time I had noticeable microstutter was on a couple games with the quad-SLI setup, and I've often seen it when FPS got low (like around 25-35fps). It's characterized by the sensation that the rig feels slower than it would feel at the same FPS on a single card. Easily remedied by lowering a setting or OC'ing more, such that the FPS got up higher. Then it became un-noticeable.

But, of course, microstutter has NOTHING TO DO with a 'popping' effect. That is totally NOT microstutter, it what's called STUTTER.
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I am simply amazed at this thread. Well, not so much the thread, just one individual.
    
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I've skimmed through most of the thread, as it has gotten fairly o_O.


Just wanted to chime in that I'm one of the few people who has probably used more GPUs than Brett over the last few years We're most likely neck and neck in terms of multi-GPU setups though So many graphics cards...

It's too late for me to put together a comprehensive comment regarding the initial inquery though.
    
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Just for the record, FD, had you said FROM THE BEGINNING that what you were talking about was going into Gaming Profiles, CREATING a NEW profile for a game because there was no game profile for it, and pointing this new profile at the .exe, and then choosing one of the AFR settings, and it caused SLI to work, I would have said, then and there ... "then you got lucky on that one game, because that method does not normally work".

But that was not how you explained it. You simply said:
You can force SLI on games that dont support it using the rendering, but then you get lower than usual performance or BSOD.

Any rendering that is not native or designed into the software is forced. I guess this is new to you?

Wrong. Go play sins of solar empire in sli and tell me both cards are used 100%. SLI does NOT mean that BOTH cards are used for the SAME PURPOSES. It only processed minute textures and detail. Go read more if you doubt me.

Change the render mode to try different types and you will see SLI temps increase on both cards and FPS nearly double. I dont need to prove my point, go read more.

Practically everything that you led off with in this discussion was either nonsense, or totally imprecise/unclear. Games don't 'support SLI', SLI supports games. There's no such thing as 'native SLI designed into the software'. There's no code in games that makes the two cards work on 'different purposes' like 'textures' and 'details'.

NOWHERE in this thread did you accurately explain what you were talking about doing until all the way at the end, after countless insults on your part.

All you had to do was CLARIFY your methodology at SOME POINT instead of constantly using unclear or incorrect terminology about what you did, and polluting the this discourse w/hate and immature snark all day long.

The fact remains, there has to be an SLI profile for SLI to work. You can create a BASIC, but EMPTY SLI profile by creating a new gaming profile for game, and pointing that profile at the game's .exe.

However, in the vast majority of games, the necessary settings for SLI to operate correctly will NOT be exposed through the NVCP, hence you cannot properly populate the information that's needed. That's why this method of yours so often FAILS, as you have admitted.

However, if you're handy and/or know exactly what all the SLI profile settings need to be, you can use nV Inspector to make a 'proper' SLI profile, or associate a game's .exe w/an already populated SLI profile that works for that game, or you can fake that effect by changing .exe names.

Or you can wait for nV to make the profile, and put it in the drivers. Like most people do.

So, again, I misspoke when I said you 'can't' force SLI to be enabled through NVCP. You CAN, RARELY, create SLI support for a game that lacks a SLI profile by creating a new, empty game profile. We could've agreed on THAT about 20,000 words ago if you'd remotely accurately explained what you were talking about doing.

However, I've tried this method you speak of pretty much every time a game or bench has come out with no SLI profile at the time of release, and I think it's worked for me one time, and not well that one time it did. It is not a remotely reliable solution. And this method is really NOT 'forcing SLI' or circumventing the games 'native SLI support' with AFR. All you're doing is creating a generic SLI profile and randomly picking a SLI rendering method, and hoping that's enough to enable SLI for that game.

Lastly, there's just as much chance that it'll work WITHOUT touching/changing the value in the 'SLI Rendering Mode' dropdown as there is WITH touching it. It's only 50/50 odds that you even need to touch that value.
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i thought he was gonna say
sli is great b/c in the summer i can downclock the cards or something guess not
lol i thought the excact same thing when reading his post

about the sli being norm in games I would expect so Ive never had 1 issue playing any games with sli, Ive played alot of known titles and some not so known titles and never had a problem..
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Nice one brett! +rep
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