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Facts: (or not?)
  • All P67 mobo's have 16 PCI Express lanes.
    A Dual-SLI setup means x8 and x8 off the native Intel chipset.
    Tri-SLI setups are not possible without an additional NF200 chip.
  • P67 mobo's with a NF200 chip will have an extra 16 PCI Express lanes available; so total will be 32 PCI Express lanes.
    DUAL-SLI means x8 and x8 off the native Intel chipset.
    TRI-SLI means x8 (native Intel chipset) and x16 (NF200) and x16 (NF200)
    QUAD-SLI means ...?

My question: is it possible to do a QUAD-SLI with two GTX590's (4 GPU's total) on an Intel P67 motherboard?

Who has a setup like this or knows the answer?

In the screenshots below I tried switching around one, two and three videocards on a ASUS Maximus IV Extreme mobo to see the effects on the chipsets and speeds used.

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Yes, the GTX590's have a built in NF200, so you can do quad sli
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post #3 of 21
Short answer: Yes, P67 can accomodate Quad-SLI (two GTX590s).

These 2 articles definitely are of interest to you.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2898-13.html
http://www.ninjalane.com/blogs/blogpost20437.aspx

This review tests Quad-SLI on an P67 mobo: (Asus P8P67 Deluxe)
http://en.expreview.com/2011/03/31/g...w/15791.html/2
Edited by windfire - 4/7/11 at 4:49am
post #4 of 21
It will still work, because the card still only uses 16 lanes. You may want to pick a mobo with 2 full x16 lanes though, as those kind of card get a bit closer to saturating the bandwidth than single GPU cards.

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don't think of the 590 as 2 cards because it isn't... What it is is a single card with 2 GPUs and despite that fact having 2 590's will still split the bandwith the same as having 2 single GPU cards.
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OK guys, thank you for the quick replies!
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Quad-SLI with 2 x 590's would be a ridiculous and silly setup.

You're talking about the processing power of 4 GTX580 cores (minus the clock speed) ... coupled with the effective vram amount of only 1 GTX580

By the time you create a scenario (like running Metro on 3 large monitors) that you would actually benefit from all that processing power, you are going to be totally crapping out on vram.

That's not to mention the fact that there's no CPU that can keep up with that much GPU power, so bottlenecking would be inevitable.

If you're contemplating 590's in SLI ... don't. If you wanna do something over the top, go with 3 x 580 3GB models. Or 2 x 6990's.

Quad-SLI 590's is hella dumb, IMHO ... regardless of mobo.
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post #8 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by windfire View Post
This review tests Quad-SLI on an P67 mobo: (Asus P8P67 Deluxe)
http://en.expreview.com/2011/03/31/g...w/15791.html/2
He uses a Noctua fan on a Megahalems. He just invalidated anything he had to add to any discussion ever.

On topic though, you may see some amount of bottleneck as opposed to X58 or Zxx but it will work yes.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by brettjv View Post
Quad-SLI with 2 x 590's would be a ridiculous and silly setup.
Why? Not as ridiculous as 2x 6990s?

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By the time you create a scenario (like running Metro on 3 large monitors) that you would actually benefit from all that processing power, you are going to be totally crapping out on vram.

If you're contemplating 590's in SLI ... don't. If you wanna do something over the top, go with 3 x 580 3GB models. Or 2 x 6990's.
I guess 2x 6990s are serious, but 2x 590s is ridiculous.

Some people don't buy ATi/AMD and want nVidia. Considering the performance is on par with 6990, I don't understand your logic at all.

3x 580 3GB Models in the US are very hard to come by, and if imported from Europe are very expensive. Then contemplating the heat generated by three would best be suited under water, thus furthering the cost, and then power requirements of three cards is something to consider.

The performance of the GTX 590s can handle 5760 x 1080 and 5760x1200 in a few games very well, and as the drivers mature that will increase. Once the PR hoopla dies about exploding cards, we will probably be allowed to retweak voltage again, or just utilize 267.85 driver set if you desire an overclock. The cards have been shown to be raised between 723-772 clock before OCP begins to degrade performance and create diminishing returns.

Infact, to get the most bang out of any SLi/CrossfireX setup, one would require hefty resolutions and eyecandy to truly demonstrate the scaling of the setup. Making a card setup like this ideal for multi-monitors as it will scale better than a single monitor of 1920x1080.

Your mentioning of Metro2033 (numbers can be found here) stands out as the only title of many that seems to be VRAM limit, yet in other games manages to keep on par with a 6990. While the author clearly suggest its a VRAM limit, which is possible, they also notice similar performance glitches in other titles (such as Bad Company 2) while applying AA. It would therefore make more sense that this is entirely a driver issue related to a specific game. Since a single GTX 590 is able to compete with a single 6990 in other games frame for frame, that would make much more of a logical conclusion to me. One test with poor results would definitely merit a follow up. Despite which, this is the only benchmark/title I have seen numbers this low.

Here is a separate Metro2033 done by HardOCP and seem to have very decent frames per second in the game: HardOCP GTX 590 Review.

So, GTX 590 aside, do you have another more powerful single nVidia card to recommend then?

Here is a benchmark that shows a few numbers for you to keep in mind.
HardwareHeaven GTX 590 SLI Review

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You're talking about the processing power of 4 GTX580 cores (minus the clock speed) ... coupled with the effective vram amount of only 1 GTX580
This is true for every SLi setup, you will always have this limitation, and CrossfireX is the same. 2x GTX 590s are much cheaper than 4x GTX 580s, although the performance is comparable to 3x 580s, you are still dealing with maturing drivers, possible overclock headroom, and only having to power / deal with heat for two cards. Very preferable to some people.

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That's not to mention the fact that there's no CPU that can keep up with that much GPU power, so bottlenecking would be inevitable.
This is true of every single setup in the universe, all things are limited by CPU. It is always the speed limit, however, where the limit occurs depends on the CPU and its speed/ability to crunch numbers and send data. Having a CPU bottleneck at 200 fps is negligible as there isn't a 240 Hz computer monitor. 120 fps could be an issue for 120 Hz users, or those desiring the split images of 3D. Having a high minimum FPS or average frames per second is the most important, and if its close to some theoretical maximum due to CPU bottlenecking, it doesn't matter as long as its above the refresh rate.

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Quad-SLI 590's is hella dumb, IMHO ... regardless of mobo.
It sounds like you have made your mind up without looking at a single fact, or entertaining the notion of why people would want this card.

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Originally Posted by zerounleashednl View Post
OK guys, thank you for the quick replies!
It works the same way it would with any 2 GPUs , good luck with your setup. Judging by your manual even, I would consider trying Slot 1/2 or Slot 1 and 4. It appears your slots 1 and 3 share lanes, while 2/4/5 maybe on a different chipset. I have seen this in another ASUS board, where it was reported three lanes would be 16x/8x/8x but only if you use the ones they have it as configured, I ended up with 16x/16x/16x. Of course you are limited to space on this matter.
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the 590 is a really poorly designed card imo. power circuitry aside, the amount of VRAM is highly limiting. they really should've made a 6 GB GTX 590 instead. then it'd be the quad-SLI multi-monitor king.
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