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What about making special schools for those minorities instead of blowing up the rest's education?
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I said that a long time ago after we started having rules against certain things being allowed in elementary (like peanut butter because of ONE kid).
the biggest problem with that is how many "disabled" (or whatever you want to call it) kids are there in a given area? One? Maybe two or three? Five at the most, for a given school area, grade, etc.? Making a specific school for that few people is more expensive. And you also can't expect parents (or whomever) to do long commutes to bring their kids to a "special" school. As much as we may all have seen how things were done, and maybe have even been inconvenienced by it, it's the most fair way to do it.

On the other hand, I'll completely agree with being frustrated at not being able to bring something like a PB&J sandwich to school just because someone has a severe allergy to it. That, to me, seems wrong--but I don't know if there's a better solution to it.
    
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Universities need to comply. They are for-profit organizations that receive grant money from the government. These universities make plenty of money. If they don't want to comply, don't take the grant money. Of course they won't do that because that is too much money to leave on the table.

These are students from college. They are obviously fairly smart and intelligent. One of my teachers was partially deaf and another one had dyslexia. If the education system just cast aside these students, they would not have been able to graduate from college and become instructors themselves.
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I can understand why the would not like that, but its kinda stupid to rip the rest of the kids out of a great education.
how is abusing google "great education" ?
they are being lazy, instead of hiring capable teacher they are giving the job to some random internet company who's goal is to make money not teach.
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so basically what half of this thread is saying is that we should forget about disabled kids and wheel them down into a ditch and leave them there
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Universities need to comply. They are for-profit organizations that receive grant money from the government. These universities make plenty of money.
Which universities are these that are making "plenty of money"? Because most institutions are in the red and cutting services/curricula/staffing left and right.
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so basically what half of this thread is saying is that we should forget about disabled kids and wheel them down into a ditch and leave them there
I'm not advocating eugenics, but I wonder what percentage of the population has expressed sentiments along those lines at least once in their life. I bet it's pretty high.

A friend of mine who had a baby recently had a bit of a crisis when he found out during the pregnancy that the baby had an elevated risk of Down's Syndrome. He summed up the choices facing him as a lifetime's burden, or an abortion. I'm not saying those were the only choices, but that's how it seemed to him. Maybe it's a fair assessment, and maybe it just shows misconceptions the average person has about people with disabilities. I don't know.

The baby turned out fine, I'm happy to say. And it's funny: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say that, like if by saying that I'm glad the child doesn't have Down's Syndrome, I'm unfairly victimizing people who have it, or their family members, or people who know them, or basically anybody who has ever heard about it and might be offended. You hear a lot of stuff from awareness groups that talk about people being differently abled, or what have you. But you know, I have no more reason to be ashamed of being glad that the baby doesn't have Down's than I would be to say that I'm glad it was born with the right number of limbs, or all five classical senses (there are apparently many more senses, like the sense of where your limbs are in relation to each other, but you know what I mean).

Anyway, it's a strange world we live in, and everyone needs to take a bit of responsibility for making it suit their needs. If you can't see, and you want to use a computer (this being the Information Age, unless we're already past that), then you need to know how to make your computer relay information to you non-visually. Not every website is going to have that built in. If a university isn't responsible for giving crutches or wheelchairs to people who have difficulty walking, then it shouldn't be responsible for making sure every single piece of software is text-to-speech compatible. Guess what? If you're in the sciences, you're almost inevitably going to use some ancient POS computer with ancient POS software because it can interface with some hardware you need to use, or it's the only thing that runs an old bit of modeling software, or whatever. My dad still keeps a 486 or something on hand because he uses an old version of STELLA. That's just how it is. Overcome the challenge.
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They are blind, not deaf, can't the prosfessors at that university create a specialized class just for people with Disabilities such as blindness?
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Universities need to comply. They are for-profit organizations that receive grant money from the government. These universities make plenty of money. If they don't want to comply, don't take the grant money. Of course they won't do that because that is too much money to leave on the table.

These are students from college. They are obviously fairly smart and intelligent. One of my teachers was partially deaf and another one had dyslexia. If the education system just cast aside these students, they would not have been able to graduate from college and become instructors themselves.

So you're saying that if there was a blind person in the classroom that all of the lecture notes would have to be in braille?

My university's email web client sucks, so I just have it set to forward to my gmail account. Why the hell can't these blind students just get their email forwarded to whatever email client they use?


People with disabilities already get way too much. Pretty much every scholarship caters to the disabled, females, and minorities already. We don't need professors to start modifying their lectures too.
    
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