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post #21 of 44
It's funny that people championing free-markets are the ones who want daddy to come and deal with the kid down the street making cheap knock-offs. This isn't going to rid the world of piracy, and it'll just be another huge mistake that destroys legitimate sites in its wake, while the non-legitimate ones resurface.

Call your congresscritters when this comes to vote, and let them know how you feel.
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post #22 of 44
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Way to refute your own argument.
I think you took it out of context.

Perhaps I should say crime is inevitable, and doing nothing to prevent it is not a solution. Would that make more sense?

The government is supposed to have checks and balances, to prevent abuse of powers. Assuming a system like that is actually working, I have no problem with filtering muck off the internet. Where does it stop? Well that would be for the people to decide and executed by the government.

You might disagree with me, quoting something about people's rights and or freedoms, but frankly, I couldn't give a damn about people's rights to look at child pornography. I am not afraid to step on people's toes, but I acknowledge this belief is not held by many and its just my opinion.
Edited by RagingCain - 4/7/11 at 9:38am
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post #23 of 44
Well I for one know exactly how my Representative will vote on this.

As for our Republic and its demise....its highly exaggerated.
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post #24 of 44
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I think you took it out of context.

Perhaps I should say crime is inevitable, and doing nothing to prevent it is not a solution. Would that make more sense?

The government is supposed to have checks and balances, to prevent abuse of powers. Assuming a system like that is actually working, I have no problem with filtering muck off the internet. Where does it stop? Well that would be for the people to decide and executed by the government.

You might disagree with me, quoting something about people's rights and or freedoms, but frankly, I couldn't give a damn about people's rights to look at child pornography. I am not afraid to step on people's toes, but I acknowledge this belief is not held by many and its just my opinion.

No one should look at anything "out of context". Everything needs to be in perspective. No one would argue that it would be important for an ISP to block sites that contain content like child pornography. However, this starts to set a precedent for the government to continue oppressing important information designed to protect the security and well-being of the people of the United States.

"Similarly, as the spirit of a militarized America bleeds into everyday life, politics increasingly becomes an extension of war, and right-wing, liberal and conservative politicians eagerly embrace militaristic approach to policy and the need to cleanse social order of any institution, mode of dissent, social group and public sphere willing to question its state of permanent war and its militarized and unchecked embrace of economic Darwinism" - Henry Giroux, Truthout.org
Edited by scatlm - 4/7/11 at 9:51am
post #25 of 44
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No one should look at anything "out of context". Everything needs to be in perspective. No one would argue that it would be important for an ISP to block sites that contain content like child pornography. However, this sets a precedent for the government to continue oppressing important information designed to protect the security and well-being of the people of the United States.

"Similarly, as the spirit of a militarized America bleeds into everyday life, politics increasingly becomes an extension of war, and right-wing, liberal and conservative politicians eagerly embrace militaristic approach to policy and the need to cleanse social order of any institution, mode of dissent, social group and public sphere willing to question its state of permanent war and its militarized and unchecked embrace of economic Darwinism" - Henry Giroux, Truthout.org
His quote was me "self refuting" my argument, that is what was taken out of context.

However, this sets a precedent for the government to continue oppressing important information designed to protect the security and well-being of the people of the United States.

I am sorry, piracy, child porn, fake viagra pills are all fair game. Where does it say any important information designed to protect us is being blocked? Or is it being assuming that the government will block everything?
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post #26 of 44
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Originally Posted by RagingCain View Post
His quote was me "self refuting" my argument, that is what was taken out of context.

However, this sets a precedent for the government to continue oppressing important information designed to protect the security and well-being of the people of the United States.

I am sorry, piracy, child porn, fake viagra pills are all fair game. Where does it say any important information designed to protect us is being blocked? Or is it being assuming that the government will block everything?
There is a system in place to prosecute those who violate copyright laws. Also, the ISP could do more to block/ban sites deemed to have illegal content.

But this is going a step further. This is a power-grab. The COICA laws are setting a precedent to follow in China's footsteps by blocking any view that is not in accordance with the government.
post #27 of 44
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Originally Posted by RagingCain View Post
His quote was me "self refuting" my argument, that is what was taken out of context.

However, this sets a precedent for the government to continue oppressing important information designed to protect the security and well-being of the people of the United States.

I am sorry, piracy, child porn, fake viagra pills are all fair game. Where does it say any important information designed to protect us is being blocked? Or is it being assuming that the government will block everything?
This is the problem. They will say it's designed for just such things, but it will be abused guarantied.

While it might be a nice thought that getting rid of such material is a good thing (I can't say that it's not) BUT power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Also, banning/making things illegal doesn't make things go away, it just creates a black market. Take the war on drugs for example, the US uses about 80% of the worlds drugs yet we have some of the most harsh drug laws in the world.

Where there is a demand, there will be a market regardless of government regulations.
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Google can't do one thing for me with 1 ip address. I can do NOTHING on the web without requiring 5 to 12 google ip address. This tells me one thing. Everything I do on the web is being multicast to at least 5 to 12 different places. Google's war on censorship is the same thing as the war on poverty and the war on drugs. It's a delcaration that something is being handled so that people will leave it alone and put it in a few hands so that it can flourish and grow.
Google doesn't care one bit about censorship. It simply wants to be the only one who does it. It's rule of hipocracy. What everyone in charge of everything is all about.
Seriously. I need 5 ip address to google to view anything on this website. I need 5 ip addresses to google to view blogs that have complained about google not accepting them to adsense program.
I get nothing but ianna private use and google spamming my blocking scripts.
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^ Exactly. All that will become 100x worse if the unconstitutional COICA bill is passed.
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When the underground internet starts, let me know.
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