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Poll Results: According to the posted ingame/benchmark results and valid/logic facts.. who won?

 
  • 50% (64)
    AMD 6950 CF
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    GTX 570 SLI
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post #221 of 686
We've already seen 6970s on 11.4 get beat by a small amount and win by a small amount vs 470s, 570s are faster than 470s so we can then assume once both are unlocked and overclocked 570s will still have the advantage.

If the OP gets 6950's and they don't unlock, then what? Well hes even further behind, but its still a decent purchase. Fact of the matter is neither choice is bad and neither will not provide playable FPS in every game in the foreseeable future.


The difference between 6970 vs 570 is so small that the true upgrade here is SB. Hence I can't bench vs the web because I destroy X58 setups with faster cards.
    
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
We've already seen 6970s on 11.4 get beat by a small amount and win by a small amount vs 470s, 570s are faster than 470s so we can then assume once both are unlocked and overclocked 570s will still have the advantage.
What? In one game, which happens to be Nvidia preferred? Troll more. Are you simply ignoring the countless benchmarks that's been thrown out everywhere in this thread? Beating 570 most of the time and sometimes even 580?

What is even more hilarious is that you're treating the 6950 like it was the same price as 570 ^^

Clearly shows your bias.
Edited by Stefy - 4/9/11 at 4:22pm
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post #223 of 686
Your benchmarks are worthless. They're all on old drivers with cpus that can push the cards.

Get a clue, I'm downloading Crysis Warhead and when I absolutely destroy your "benchmarks" I will just further prove this point.

I will try to find more posts by that user than his Metro 2033 benchmark, even though you've been thumping your chest over 11.4 and 30% boost in performance (which he had) in a game thats been out for a year.
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post #224 of 686
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My oppinion did not move for 15 pages because nobody could argue with facts and disprove my listed arguements?

When the hell did I open a thread called "call the arms"?! that is completely made up and only fueling the flames.
http://www.overclock.net/ati/986599-...y-results.html The precursor to that thread (the one that got deleted). I think it was "6950 owners unite!" rather than call to arms, but the intent was the same.

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Tell me where my oppinion crossed with the fact?
I listed the facts as objectively and precisely as possible.

Just because you can´t deal with them does not mean they are not valid lol?
Really? Comparing the overclockability of non-reference 6950s to reference 570s isn't a biased "fact"? Saying PhysX/Cuda make no difference isn't biased? Mentioning improvements to only one of the two competitors isn't biased?

Also, Stefy, I can't provide you results because I don't have the setup to do so, and I don't think it's worth my time to go searching for them. But, when you consider 6970s falling short of 580s, and that 570s can OC past 580s... The scaling is rather stable across the 500 series, it's logical to assume that an OC'd 570 SLI (with clocks 10-15% past where they individually match 580s...) setup would be equal to or greater than a 580 SLI setup, which 6950s require heavy overclocking to match... Ah forget it, logic is clearly a taboo in this thread past page 5.
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Originally Posted by -Apocalypse- View Post
http://www.overclock.net/ati/986599-...y-results.html The precursor to that thread (the one that got deleted). I think it was "6950 owners unite!" rather than call to arms, but the intent was the same.


Really? Comparing the overclockability of non-reference 6950s to reference 570s isn't a biased "fact"? Saying PhysX/Cuda make no difference isn't biased? Mentioning improvements to only one of the two competitors isn't biased?

Also, Stefy, I can't provide you results because I don't have the setup to do so, and I don't think it's worth my time to go searching for them. But, when you consider 6970s falling short of 580s, and that 570s can OC past 580s... The scaling is rather stable across the 500 series, it's logical to assume that an OC'd 570 SLI (with clocks 10-15% past where they individually match 580s...) setup would be equal to or greater than a 580 SLI setup, which 6950s require heavy overclocking to match... Ah forget it, logic is clearly a taboo in this thread past page 5.
This thread is about 6970 right?

This thread is about 6950 which is a MUCH cheaper card and beats a much more expensive card. Stop failing so horribly.

Also too bad a small minority of 570s will get such clocks. Not representable. How do you explain less VRAM on the 570? That's one more advantage with the 6950.
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post #226 of 686
Only after it unlocks which it may or may not do and that is no way to purchase a video card.

I bought two 555's and neither unlocked to a quad even though others did.

The chance that he'll get two cards that both unlock and overclock unlocked to 1000+ is low and you know it. Not only that but even if that small chance happens he's still not going to be faster than 570 sli once they're overclocked.

You know a lot about your ATI cards but you have complete bias driven ignorance of Nvidias offerings.
    
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Maybe because he's been posting facts all the time?

You have yet to provide us with some non reference 570s beating 6950 CF. As you saw, 6950 CF STOCK is capable of being dam close to 580 SLI. Imagine with unlock + OC. 6950 is cheaper too.
I hope my explanation of his behavior landed

But let us just sum it up.


We should only use results conducted with the latest drivers of both cards.

And we can say that the comparison should be done at a resolution which is most often used.(1920x1280)

Also should we put into consideration that both cards have enabled all their performance enhancing features such as for example the unlock.

Then ingame benchmarks not synthetic ones should be used and of course only those in which none of the two cards have any advantages suchas Nvidia:Metro and AMD:Stalker

When that is all settled we can engage a real comparison.
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post #228 of 686
I will be more than happy to benchmark my cards at stock vs 6950 xfire or 6970 xfire. I am not a fan boy but I have owned both ati and nvidia and so far nvidia is a more stable gpu for me.

I had nothing but issues with ATI Drivers so I decided to get the 570sc edition and put them in sli and have not had any issues. Keep in mind my new setup can beat my old setup.

The only thing different is the H70 and the gpus I had to go to an H70 because I will deploy soon and I sold my 5970+5870 for the 570s. To be honest the 570s out perform the 5970+5870 as far as keeping fps stable in gaming.

This is my new setup


This is my old setup
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Originally Posted by -Apocalypse- View Post
http://www.overclock.net/ati/986599-...y-results.html The precursor to that thread (the one that got deleted). I think it was "6950 owners unite!" rather than call to arms, but the intent was the same.
Also not true why are you disregarding ?
But I am really glad that happened, it just shows your agender of rather busting me than paying attention to detail and contributing to this thread.



Really? Comparing the overclockability of non-reference 6950s to reference 570s isn't a biased "fact"? Saying PhysX/Cuda make no difference isn't biased? Mentioning improvements to only one of the two competitors isn't biased?
I have never compared the overclockability of a non ref 6950 to a ref 570 as a matter of fact the word ref 570 never even came up once in my listing of facts?Again, why are you disregarding?

And I am not sure if you read the whole listing but I specifically instructed the Nvidia guys to complete the improvements of the 570.

Also the fact that Phsyx and CUDA are used to an extent in which they are irrelevant of being mentioned as positive fact on the 570 side is like already said a fact lol?

Also, Stefy, I can't provide you results because I don't have the setup to do so, and I don't think it's worth my time to go searching for them. But, when you consider 6970s falling short of 580s, and that 570s can OC past 580s... The scaling is rather stable across the 500 series, it's logical to assume that an OC'd 570 SLI (with clocks 10-15% past where they individually match 580s...) setup would be equal to or greater than a 580 SLI setup, which 6950s require heavy overclocking to match... Ah forget it, logic is clearly a taboo in this thread past page 5.
Again your flame inducing posting style is very disturbing.
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I will be more than happy to benchmark my cards at stock vs 6950 xfire or 6970 xfire.


This is my old setup
PERFECT!

Clearly god sent you!

Edit:Hope you have the 6950 fully unlocked and max oc´ed also with 11.4 drivers would be great
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