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  • 50% (64)
    AMD 6950 CF
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    GTX 570 SLI
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post #241 of 686
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefy View Post
I suggest you take a look at the benchmarks in this thread, 570 sure as hell is the loser here. And you know nothing until you post the proof.

I repeat, this thread is about 6950. It's so hilarious how all the Nvidia fanboys ignores this like it was the more expensive 6970. The fact that 6950 is so close to more expensive cards only shows how much of a great card it is.

However, I am very grateful Reaper will give us info on the 6970s.

Thanks for coming? No one even welcomed you. You have contributed with nothing to this thread but posting about your beloved 470s. This thread does not mention Nvidia GTX 470 ANYWHERE. All you've been doing is going off topic and praising your graphics cards. I am sick of it. If you don't stop right now, I am writing a long report including all your useless posts in this thread and I'll ask them to be deleted.
Apparently our current crop of ATI fanboys are incapable of simple logic. 6970 >= 6950. So something that is > a 6970 is by default > a 6950.
Again, with the 470s, 470s fall between the 560 and 570 when overclocked. The 570 is stronger than the 470. So if the 470 is equal to something, the 570 will be stronger. If you've got a comparison between the 570 and the 580, and then between a 580 and a 6970, it isn't hard to compare the 570 to the 6970, and then using a comparison between the 6970 and 6950, you can compare a 6950 to a 570.

If A > B, and B > C... Wild assumption here, but C isn't going to be greater than A.

As I said before, there are tests showing reference 570s @850 core matching a 580. The 500 series has scaled rather equally across the SLI capable cards. So one can assume that SLI 570s @ 850 core would equal 580 SLI at stock. 6950s when unlocked are limited in overclocking, but at 6970 settings/unlock, almost identical to a 6970. Again, they scale almost the same. So unlocked 6950 CF = 6970 CF. So if 580 SLI > 6970 SLI, it's logical to extend that SLI 570 @ 850 core > unlocked/6970 settings 6950 CF. Both cards would still be able to overclock further, though not significantly further (DCII/Phantom/TFIII 570s would top out at 1k-1.1k depending on card, I don't know the numbers for a 6950 unlocked, but they have been stated as lower than a true 6970 fully overclocked).

The posts far from irrelevant, they just require a bit of simple logical relations rather than being exactly what you asked for. And as I said before, you'd need to hold all other things equal- CPU/mobo/ram/psu/harddrive/OS to have a valid comparison between the two. You could have thirty different benchmarks here, none of them would be relevant if they weren't very similar in setup. If different setups didn't matter, gamers would still be running C2Ds at 3 GHz.

No one is denying that the 6950 is a great card, but it's not a better card than the 570. Price/performance? Yeah, that'll probably go to the 6950, but if you go in with a set budget (like the OP did), you're typically not looking for the best price/performance within that budget, you're looking at the best performance at that budget.
Edited by -Apocalypse- - 4/9/11 at 5:23pm
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post #242 of 686
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http://www.overclock.net/ati/986599-...y-results.html The precursor to that thread (the one that got deleted). I think it was "6950 owners unite!" rather than call to arms, but the intent was the same.
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so i just glanced at this thread and the first score i see..
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/993128
here is mine ;
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/991146
@OP
(i can turn down the frequency if you like or show you another score of the same card with PIIx4@3.6 which only will loose by small margin )

Quote:
Originally Posted by _REAPER_ View Post
I will be more than happy to benchmark my cards at stock vs 6950 xfire or 6970 xfire. I am not a fan boy but I have owned both ati and nvidia and so far nvidia is a more stable gpu for me.

I had nothing but issues with ATI Drivers so I decided to get the 570sc edition and put them in sli and have not had any issues. Keep in mind my new setup can beat my old setup.

The only thing different is the H70 and the gpus I had to go to an H70 because I will deploy soon and I sold my 5970+5870 for the 570s. To be honest the 570s out perform the 5970+5870 as far as keeping fps stable in gaming.

This is my new setup


This is my old setup
thank you Reaper..that's exactly what i was trying to explain "CF suck"
    
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post #243 of 686
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so i just glanced at this thread and the first score i see..
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/993128
here is mine ;
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/991146
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1000412?show...UhEjBrYEbCPeUa
Heres my single 570 @ 4Ghz. Still manages to beat the 6950 pretty well even when the 6950 is @ 4.5Ghz. 5614 vs 6201 in the GPU score. Like others are saying a easy overclock to 850Mhz on a 570 is equal to a 580 stock, and 100% of all 570s are able to achieve this.

Oh. And I can cherrypick too.

Since you guys wanna say unlocked 6950 = 6970.
Edited by LivingChampion - 4/9/11 at 6:37pm
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post #244 of 686
Yep here my scores on vantage,also with new beta drivers it scores over 41000

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post #245 of 686
Fail.

We are comparing CF/SLI not single cards setups. Geez.

No one is denying that the 570 is faster as a single card.
Edited by Stefy - 4/9/11 at 6:53pm
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35k? You need a SB chip



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Fail.

We are comparing CF/SLI not single cards setups. Geez.

I got something for you dear.
    
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I know and it is very sad to see that so many inmature people were having the only one agender to disturb and disregard.
I really wanted to create a mutual ground on which both Nvidia and ATI people could discuss this matter with as much respect for each other and professionality as possible.
Unfortunetly FearedofBalls Somebodysb and many more have made it impossible for anyone to engage the matter seriously and for others to take advice out of it.

Someone should have restrained those fools from the beginning-.-
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As in terms of the rest of your post:

I do believe that 570 SLI is superior at <1920x1280 resolutions on singular screen setups ...because the lack of VRAM does not create any performance decrease here.
Even though the fact that most comparisons conducted by test labs were done with outdated Catalyst drivers and non unlocked 6950 I do believe that at the above mentioned gaming environment + settings meaning
<1920x1280 with little/none AA,AF a 570 SLI setup could marginally be better performing.

Still I am eagerly trying to find benchmark results and gameplay footage of 6950 CF fully unlocked with latest drivers to prove that there is more to them as people think
LMAO you keep on referencing Balla and I......

oh and these two cards are neck and neck, too many variables (res, screen size, number on screens, task....) You will never have a outright winner between the cards.
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Fail.

We are comparing CF/SLI not single cards setups. Geez.

No one is denying that the 570 is faster as a single card.
They just seem to be taking random stuck. Nobody said HD 6950 is faster then Single GTX570 no matter what but because it scales so much better its does perform as good in CF.



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Superior scaling allowed two mid-priced Radeon HD 6950s to approximate the performance of two higher-cost GeForce GTX 570s, while three HD 6950s took the performance win over three GTX 570s.

If CrossFire’s value-oriented victory in two-way and performance win in three-way configurations weren’t enough to convince us, the Radeon HD 6950's lower power certainly did. AMD started out with the highest efficiency at one card, and superb multi-GPU scaling allowed its efficiency to increase with every card we added. When’s the last time adding parts made your machine more efficient?

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I remember that review, they obviously had Just Cause 2 running with all the Nvidia exclusive enhancements which brought down the global 570 score since they only tested about 6 games. Heres a review getting 2.0 Scale from Just Cause 2.

Notice the last 3 games were done with PhysX on.
http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/GTX%20570/P21.html
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They just seem to be taking random stuck. Nobody said HD 6950 is faster then Single GTX570 no matter what but because it scales so much better its does perform as good in CF.

Seems like they figured out they ain't gonna win the SLI/CF fight.

Oh well.....

+ awesome bench btw : )
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