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Poll Results: According to the posted ingame/benchmark results and valid/logic facts.. who won?

 
  • 50% (64)
    AMD 6950 CF
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post #441 of 686
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Originally Posted by Motive View Post
I haven't purchased a motherboard yet, honestly, I'm using Crossfire 5850, and they're great, but I need to upgrade, and I'd like to try some Nvidia cards this time around.

I'm just going to be using the additonal monitor for surfing and whatnot while I play WoW, I have little experience with multi-monitor gaming, honestly. The reason I brought up the 580, someone said it was a great performer, and I could futureproof myself with it, and get another for sli down the line, if I needed the upgrade.

The PSU is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817814019.

Do you have a link to the 3g580?
I'm very happy with my ASUS P67 Deluxe, it has everything I could possibly want and more. Honestly the best price/feature ratio is probably in the ASUS p67 Pro which is the model just below mine but I wanted to get a little more than necessary rather than just exactly what I needed. I mention this just to point out that even though you are putting together a pretty high end build you don't need the $330+ monster mobos and that the more typical high end but not apex mobos may be just what you need. But Balla is helping you out and I would trust the advice he gives you. Despite any disagreements people around here may have or calling other fanboys and such, I really haven't seen anybody point new people that are asking for advice in the wrong direction just because they prefer one brand over another, we can usually come together to make sure that the newbies get the best help they can.

About the 3GB EVGA 580s they haven't really been "officially" announced yet but here is the best info about them at the moment, it comes from EVGA but isn't technically official yet. And as Balla will tell you the 3GB will only be necessary if you are going for extreme gaming resolutions.
Edited by juano - 4/9/11 at 11:55pm
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Sorry then. x_X

I asked something about a 580 and someone accused me of trolling. Guess I'm abit defensive at this point.
LOL that was me and what can I say, what you said would have been so obvious to anyone that has a little bit of knowledge about the cards in question that I assumed it was a troll comment. Obviously now I can see it wasn't but you are certainly getting the help you need now, so no worries.
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Not unlocked , stock benches by me
Has cost me a lot of time ^^
   
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post #444 of 686
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Originally Posted by juano View Post
I'm very happy with my ASUS P67 Deluxe, it has everything I could possibly want and more. Honestly the best price/feature ratio is probably in the ASUS p67 Pro which is the model just below mine but I wanted to get a little more than necessary rather than just exactly what I needed. I mention this just to point out that even though you are putting together a pretty high end build you don't need the $330+ monster mobos and that the more typical high end but not apex mobos may be just what you need. But Balla is helping you out and I would trust the advice he gives you. Despite any disagreements people around here may have or calling other fanboys and such, I really haven't seen anybody point new people that are asking for advice in the wrong direction just because they prefer one brand over another, we can usually come together to make sure that the newbies get the best help they can.

About the 3GB EVGA 580s they haven't really been "officially" announced yet but here is the best info about them at the moment, it comes from EVGA but isn't technically official yet. And as Balla will tell you the 3GB will only be necessary if you are going for extreme gaming resolutions.
I looked at the ASUS P67 Deluxe on Newegg, out of stock. I like the stats on it, I'll have to wait til it's back in stock, evidently it's popular.

I have some ram, but it's from a friends older 1366 mobo. I don't have the static bag at the moment that has the ram sticks in it, but I know they're dominators as well. Do you have any suggestions for ram? Or would those from a 1366 socket work fine with the 1155 socket mobo chipset?
post #445 of 686
I'm going to bed. I'm super tired. But I'd like to ask more questions, so expect some private messages, Juano and Balla. Thanks for the help and talk to you tommo.. erm, later on today.
post #446 of 686
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I looked at the ASUS P67 Deluxe on Newegg, out of stock. I like the stats on it, I'll have to wait til it's back in stock, evidently it's popular.

I have some ram, but it's from a friends older 1366 mobo. I don't have the static bag at the moment that has the ram sticks in it, but I know they're dominators as well. Do you have any suggestions for ram? Or would those from a 1366 socket work fine with the 1155 socket mobo chipset?
The biggest thing I would look for in RAM is to make sure that it's voltage is at 1.5v or less, that what sandybridge really like as far as voltage. Some people don't mind going up to 1.65V and some motherboards even have sticks of RAM at 1.65V listed as supported but 1.5V is ideal. If the RAM you have already will work and you like it there's no reason not to use it but if you are buying RAM from scratch this is what I would go with. It may not have the crazy high speed some might like but right now if you go above 1600MHz you have to sacrifice something, either voltage or timings and I just feel that what I linked you to is a very good balance of all aspects.
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post #447 of 686
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580 3gb is above and beyond overkill for 1080p gaming.

Hold on a second I gotta feed my kittens.
Since you want to go Nvidia this time around I'd say your options are as follows:

#5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9&Tpk=560%20ti

2GB of ram, still a 560 though, about the same performance as a gtx 470, better factory cooling solution but at a hefty price of $280.

#4 http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...u=SPM721086801

1.25GB of ram, gtx 470 but not the best option really. Your best option here would be the FS section. Here is one used for $165 shipped: http://www.overclock.net/video/96972...5-shipped.html
here is another for $185 shipped: http://www.overclock.net/video/92392...gs-almost.html
The 470s do run hot though, if fan noise is an issue than these options are best served by augmenting the reduced cost with water cooling.

#3 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...7BBTkwCjCECjCE

1.5GB of ram - This is probably the most ram you'll ever need at 1080p, GTX 480 for $270 after MIR. With this one you have to option to keep the clocks down around 800 and still get good performance, but like the 470 its best served under water. Alternatively you could get a after market air cooler if the noise/temps ever become bothersome.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...e0efa4b11d790c

$65 shipped, they may be triple slot coolers, if so there are smaller ones by Zalman that could work as well.

#2 GTX 570 - 1.25GB $300 new. These cards are a mix between the GTX 470 and the GTX 480. They share the 470s vram amount, but have the 480s core count. They also have slightly better cores than the 400 series cards, but some people have had some issues with the vrms and OVP. They also have better stock cooling than the 400 series, and its possible to run them at decent clocks without the noise and heat of the 400 series.

#1 GTX 580 - 1.5GB $450ish new. These are the top of the line "creme dela creme" of the current gen graphics cards. They are everything the 570 is and more. They do carry a hefty price tag, and many would say the price doesn't warrant the performance but it never really does at the top. They also don't share any of the negative aspects of the 400 series heat and noise, nor the 570s issues with vrms. They are for lack of a better term, the best of the best.


The min performance you need starts at #5 ( I didn't list 1gb version of the 560 because even at 1080p in SLI 1GB will be limiting). After that it becomes a question of what you want to do, how much you want to spend, and how far above 60 fps you want to pad yourself.

The 560s should get you around 70 fps in the most gpu intensive games, the 470s around 70-75, the 480s around 80-85, the 570s around 80-85, and the 580s around 95-100. Obviously those are just numbers I pulled out of my behind, but they're a pretty good representation of what I've seen from people around here.
Edited by BallaTheFeared - 4/10/11 at 12:23am
    
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I looked at the ASUS P67 Deluxe on Newegg, out of stock. I like the stats on it, I'll have to wait til it's back in stock, evidently it's popular.

I have some ram, but it's from a friends older 1366 mobo. I don't have the static bag at the moment that has the ram sticks in it, but I know they're dominators as well. Do you have any suggestions for ram? Or would those from a 1366 socket work fine with the 1155 socket mobo chipset?
Those ram will work fine, SB IMC is so good that anything after 1866 is pretty much overkill.

1600-1866 ram that runs around cas 8 or lower is fine, so long as they can operate at 1.65v or below.
    
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I told you Balla would give you some good advice. The only things I would change are for #3 I can find you that Arctic Cooling AXP for $48 and shipping, and it was a few bucks lower a few days ago. All you need in addition to this is the heatsink set that is specific to the card you get from the AC homepage here

Secondly about #2 I would recommend the ASUS Direct CUII 570 that I have because it has beefier and additional power phases that nullify the VRM issues Balla mentioned in addition to having a cooler that is silent on auto fan speed while being very cool. All this for only $350 which is the MSRP for regular 570s although as Balla mentioned they can be found for as low as $300-315. These do have a triple slot cooler so make sure that whatever mobo you get can fit two triple slot coolers (most good P67 boards can such as the ASUS pro or deluxe I mentioned). The only thing that would make the ASUS 570 in SLI anything less than the clear winner in my opinion would be if you wanted to go crazy high resolutions in the future such as triple screen 1080p or 2560x1440/1600 then the extra VRAM of the 1.5GB or even the forthcoming EVGA 3GB 580 would be worth considering.
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580 3gb is above and beyond overkill for 1080p gaming.

Hold on a second I gotta feed my kittens.
No its not, not all games can be run maxed with a GTX580. its no way near overkill tbh.
Try metro2033 max settings or even something simple like Rift online.

The GTX580 will eat almost any game out there though, but its no overkill
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