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    AMD 6950 CF
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    GTX 570 SLI
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post #51 of 686
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefy View Post
Don't think you read the entire review, because they overclocked it to over 1GHz which is more than 14% and could be pushed further. You also don't take into consideration that the card is already factory overclocked. It also doesn't have shaders unlocked.
Oh yeah 22.5% with 1.35v, but that was a single card too. That much voltage might produce a lot of heat for CFX.

Yeah 22.5% is pretty good I think but I thought this card didn't unlock from what the OP has read so far.

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Originally Posted by Pillz Here View Post
It's unbelievable how much over analyzing OP is doing in this situation. The thread should have ended 4 pages ago.

The 6950 CF setup is clearly the best choice, period.
I think he wants cards that can unlock and overclock good as well
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No, the card does indeed unlock. I have not read of any who hasn't yet, but I told the OP I can't guarantee it.
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post #53 of 686
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=672911

Ok I found the source which reinforces my fear that the MSI 6950 Twin Frozr III will not be able to be unlocked.

I will Quote the most important ones:

1.)THIS CARD WON'T UNLOCK PERIOD!!! This is a non-reference card so sorry but you are COMPLETELY out of luck. This card uses a custom MSI PCB which improves overclocking but disables unlocking the GPU. There is only 1 BIOS, not 2. Sorry for the bad news, but this wasn't a secret that this card couldn't be unlocked so don't go blaming MSI. It will overclock though far so try to get it to 1ghz to make up for the lack of unlocking. The cooler is also much better.

2.)you guys don't understand that a REFERENCE 2gb model is the ONLY 6950 that will unlock. No other will if it's 1gb or a non-reference card. It must look like this with 2gb of VRAM. Otherwise it won't unlock period.

3.)his is incorrect information so please refer to my previous post. It all depends on if the GPU has been laser cut or not; results are mixed for non-reference and 1GB PCBs.


So basically only the reference cards ensure the unlock..with the non ref cards it´s a gamble wheter or not the GPU was laser cut to disable it from being unlocked by software.

So there you have it! even though the Twin Frozr III has 2 BIOS´s it still does not ensure the guarantee that it can be unlocked.

This is really bad news ....I need a non ref card with a good cooler because I am not planning on slapping waterblocks on those cards-.-...what am I gonna do now?
Buying a ref and an additional aftermarket cooler won´t work either because they are all too big,too expensive or just not efficient enough-.-!

Any ideas?

I know the shader unlock basically only provides a marginal performance boost but still I want to get the maximum out of the card with good cooling.

Asus non ref can´t be unlocked, MSI non ref cannot be unlocked , that only leaves the PSC++ right?
Hmm maybe you missed that one.
It clearly is stated here that the Twin Frozr III like the Asus DirectCUII is generally unable to be unlocked because it has two Bios options the chance exists that some could still be unlocked because with luck they may havn´t been laser cut.
But that is exactly the point with most new non ref 6950...AMD did not want people to unlock rather than to overclock because theoretically it would cause less RMA´s.
That is why Twin Frozr III and ASUS non ref are advertising with great Voltage tuning and overclocking capability with the negative side effect that the unlock should not be possible which again is supposed to be compensated with a higher oc.
Only Problem is that in my case the Extended Ascension is too big to provide good airflow ...it is intended to be watercooled but since I am saving for Kepler I don´t wanna afford waterblocks.
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...ii-vs-iii.html
First post.

I need an unlockable card that overclocks great doesn´t have the reference aircooling solution and supports voltage tuning.
And I want one that guarantees it not just with a slight chance of unlock.
Edited by Kung Pow - 4/8/11 at 1:39pm
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post #54 of 686
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
Hmm maybe you missed that one.
It clearly is stated here that the Twin Frozr III like the Asus DirectCUII is generally unable to be unlocked because it has two Bios options the chance exists that some could still be unlocked because with luck they may havn´t been laser cut.
But that is exactly the point with most new non ref 6950...AMD did not want people to unlock rather than to overclock because theoretically it would cause less RMA´s.
That is why Twin Frozr III and ASUS non ref are advertising with great Voltage tuning and overclocking capability with the negative side effect that the unlock should not be possible which again is supposed to be compensated with a higher oc.
Only Problem is that in my case the Extended Ascension is too big to provide good airflow ...it is intended to be watercooled but since I am saving for Kepler I don´t wanna afford waterblocks.
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...ii-vs-iii.html
First post.

I need an unlockable card that overclocks great doesn´t have the reference aircooling solution and supports voltage tuning.
And I want one that guarantees it not just with a slight chance of unlock.
???
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post #55 of 686
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
Hmm maybe you missed that one.
It clearly is stated here that the Twin Frozr III like the Asus DirectCUII is generally unable to be unlocked because it has two Bios options the chance exists that some could still be unlocked because with luck they may havn´t been laser cut.
But that is exactly the point with most new non ref 6950...AMD did not want people to unlock rather than to overclock because theoretically it would cause less RMA´s.
That is why Twin Frozr III and ASUS non ref are advertising with great Voltage tuning and overclocking capability with the negative side effect that the unlock should not be possible which again is supposed to be compensated with a higher oc.
Only Problem is that in my case the Extended Ascension is too big to provide good airflow ...it is intended to be watercooled but since I am saving for Kepler I don´t wanna afford waterblocks.
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...ii-vs-iii.html
First post.

I need an unlockable card that overclocks great doesn´t have the reference aircooling solution and supports voltage tuning.
And I want one that guarantees it not just with a slight chance of unlock.
Get the MSI card on new egg for 269 dollars, it will unlock. The twinfrozr III does unlock for sure, and I never heard about it not unlocking.
    
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Since your playing on 1080p, 570 SLI is much stronger. But what is the point if you can't see more than 60Hz/FPS? Just go with a single card set up and save the cash.
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post #57 of 686
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Originally Posted by Anthraxinsoup View Post
Get the MSI card on new egg for 269 dollars, it will unlock. The twinfrozr III does unlock for sure, and I never heard about it not unlocking.
Have a look at that :http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=672911

According to the link the Twin Frozr III does not unlock.
Will there be any new versions of the 6950 out soon?
Or maybe a whole new thing or is it blank until AMD 7000/Kepler now?

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Since your playing on 1080p, 570 SLI is much stronger. But what is the point if you can't see more than 60Hz/FPS? Just go with a single card set up and save the cash.
I want the maximum performance for my money.
Please read the first post...I do not want to exceed my 720$ budget I gathered from selling my 2xGTX 295.

Also 570 SLI is nothing against 6950 unlocked CF

+I am saving for Kepler
+I am engaging Eyefinity in the nex weekNvidia surround just doesn´t kick it
+570SLI :worse price, worse cooling,worse overclock ability,much worse AA/AF , much much worse scaling,worse stability ,worse and less VRAM and no unlockability

ergo:worse cardsI wouldn´t waste my money on that^^
Edited by Kung Pow - 4/8/11 at 3:56pm
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Have a look at that :http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=672911

According to the link the Twin Frozr III does not unlock.
Will there be any new versions of the 6950 out soon?
Or maybe a whole new thing or is it blank until AMD 7000/Kepler now?
They are stupid. MANY people have Twin Frozr III cards that unlock, My best friend even has one!
    
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How does 570s have worse overclocking ability? Lots of 570s go past 200Mhz from stock with just .1v incase. Most 6900s only go up 100-150Mhz with a .2v increase.
570 vs 6950 overclocked theres no comparison. 6950 hardly hit 580 stock speeds and 570s go way past it.

570s scale much better than people think.
http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/GTX%20570/P21.html @1600p. (Last 3 test were done with PhysX on)

But if your going with 3 monitors next week then the choice is simple.
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They are stupid. MANY people have Twin Frozr III cards that unlock, My best friend even has one!
Hmm....Do you think the Twin Frozr III was revisioned to be unlockable since the Twin Frozr II was not able to?
I mean the III does have a bios switch but still....could you backup your claim maybe?

Also what exactly is the advantage of being dual slot for the III?

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Originally Posted by LivingChampion View Post
If your going with 3 monitors next week then the choice is simple.
Even if I didn´t go for Eyefinity I never even would consider getting 570 SLI over 6950 lol?
Due to this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
+570SLI :worse price, worse cooling,worse overclock ability,much worse AA/AF , much much worse scaling,worse stability ,worse and less VRAM and no unlockability

ergo:worse cardsI wouldn´t waste my money on that^^
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How does 570s have worse overclocking ability? Lots of 570s go past 200Mhz from stock with just .1v incase. Most 6900s only go up 100-150Mhz with a .2v increase.
570 vs 6950 overclocked theres no comparison. 6950 hardly hit 580 stock speeds and 570s go way past it
Please read through some specs of for example the 6950 Twin Frozr III or Asus DCII those cards have individually designed Voltage Controllers and have been specified for overclocking to the peak!
Trust me the overclockability of those cards cannot be touched by a 570.
And once the 6950´s shaders are unlocked and the BIOS was flashed to a 6970 + a max overclock with the aid of overclocking enhancing features both above mentioned cards provide a 570 cannot compete.

The other deficiencies of a 570 SLI setup compared to 6950 CF are mentioned above

The ONLY advantage of the 570 over the 6950 is Physx which is in my oppinion redundant because no game uses it to an extent in which it actually becomes a relevant factor.
So hands off for a 570 SLI setup in my oppinion
Edited by Kung Pow - 4/8/11 at 4:18pm
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