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So it looks like Intel is going with the strategy of releasing a new socket at every upgrade or every other upgrade.

I haven't really been following amd systems, but I think amd has less sockets. Is their strategy not to release new sockets for each processor intro?

For slightly less performance, I might go with AMD for my next build if they aren't going to be like Intel and release new sockets every 6 months.
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i duno to be honest i love amd but im getting sick of them never changing there sockets or anything really big. I feel like its holding them back in alot of ways. You cant design your new cpu alway on the same frame as the old one. You just run out of breathing room. this is coming from someone who has owned amd his hole life.
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Well the 1st generation Bulldozers are going to work on some AM3 MBs with a BIOS update

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/

http://event.msi.com/mb/am3+/

But probably for sure the 2nd gen BD will need an AM3+

And then when the next generation of RAM is out, there will be AM4 MBs with whole new chipset....
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post #4 of 14
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So it looks like Intel is going with the strategy of releasing a new socket at every upgrade or every other upgrade.

I haven't really been following amd systems, but I think amd has less sockets. Is their strategy not to release new sockets for each processor intro?

For slightly less performance, I might go with AMD for my next build if they aren't going to be like Intel and release new sockets every 6 months.
The new 1155 socket is more future proof than the previous ones, as it will work (or is said to) with the new Ivy Bridge CPUs coming out. It won't be a drastic architecture improvement, as it is a die shrink. It will yield higher performance however.

AMD won't be releasing new sockets every 6 months. It's been years since AM3 came out, and soon enough AM3+ will be out and probably in use for years to come.
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For slightly less performance, I might go with AMD for my next build if they aren't going to be like Intel and release new sockets every 6 months.
Intel doesn't really release sockets every 6 months. Unfortunately, they're segregating the mainstream and low-end markets from the high-end which isn't really all that nice for the consumer. Another issue with Intel is there tends to be an overlap in pricing on their mainstream and high-end offerings.

LGA-2011 is the replacement to LGA-1366 (released November 2008, ~3 years old) while LGA-1155 is the replacement to LGA-1156 (released September 2009, ~1.5 years old). LGA-1156 is very short lived but then again, even back when Lynnfield released, we already knew LGA-1155 was coming and LGA-1156 was likely going to be a transitional socket.

Too bad AMD seems to be following Intel's lead in terms of market segregation. Llano (Low End, Mainstream) will be on socket FM1 while Bulldozer (High End) is on AM3+. However, given Llano has an integrated GPU and Bulldozer doesn't so I guess that was inevitable. Looks like having a "stopper" CPU isn't an option anymore. If you go mainstream, you can't upgrade to high-end unless you swap out your motherboard, too. It's a good thing AMD's processors tend to be cheaper than Intel's.
Edited by rui-no-onna - 4/8/11 at 12:31pm
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post #6 of 14
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AMD won't be releasing new sockets every 6 months. It's been years since AM3 came out, and soon enough AM3+ will be out and probably in use for years to come.
The idea is that AMD is just building off the design, keeping the same socket design and compatibility since 2002... from what I hear, Bulldozer will be the first CPU since that time that they have completely built from the ground up, however, you can still tell that it is based on AM3 and is compatible with current motherboards that support AM3+ plus today, along with AM3.

TD;DR: Need sockets, more breathing room, less restrictions. I would love to see a new AMD board that uses something different than AM{insert number here}. Plus, the AM2/3 physical sockets piss me off... I started hating on the consistant AMD sockets ever since I pulled out my CPU with my heatsink glued to it... I mean, my CPU was ok, no bent pins, but the retention system on AMD motherboards are pure garbage.
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Well, I suspect each series means a different pin layout. If they're nice, they'll allow you to use older chips on newer motherboards or new chips on older motherboards. From what they've decided to do with AM3+ processors being compatible with AM3 motherboards with a BIOS update, there's a good chance that they might do that again. You may find some new features you'll really want like DDR4 which was just made. It'll take a few years at least for it to become standard. By that time, it may be AM4 or later. I was thinking get the first generation Bulldozer but don't get an extremely powerful chip, wait for the second generation, and then move onto the second generation. You'll spare a couple dollars.
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Intel doesn't really release sockets every 6 months. Unfortunately, they're segregating the mainstream and low-end markets from the high-end which isn't really all that nice for the consumer. Another issue with Intel is there tends to be an overlap in pricing on their mainstream and high-end offerings.

LGA-2011 is the replacement to LGA-1366 (released November 2008, ~3 years old) while LGA-1155 is the replacement to LGA-1156 (released September 2009, ~1.5 years old). LGA-1156 is very short lived but then again, even back when Lynnfield released, we already knew LGA-1155 was coming and LGA-1156 was likely going to be a transitional socket.

Too bad AMD seems to be following Intel's lead in terms of market segregation. Llano (Low End, Mainstream) will be on socket FM1 while Bulldozer (High End) is on AM3+. However, given Llano has an integrated GPU and Bulldozer doesn't so I guess that was inevitable. Looks like having a "stopper" CPU isn't an option anymore. If you go mainstream, you can't upgrade to high-end unless you swap out your motherboard, too. It's a good thing AMD's processors tend to be cheaper than Intel's.
Do you really think any AMD owner gives a ... about your Intel platform and about the fact you have a closed door towards easier CPU upgrades due to the Intel greed.Every year they release a new platform along a new old CPU but differently packed.

I have a question .Don t you think your Intel PC could be much cheaper by simply using a motheboard with the CPU soldered to it from the factory ?As you anyway need to buy CPU+ mobo every year ?!

Why do you cry here on the AMD section about your Intel own problem ?!
AMD understood the bad moves they ve made after the Socket A ,they try now to alow users to move slowly towards the new CPU-s.

And don t talk about AM3+ as there is nothing clear yet.
I don t think AMD will do any mistakes with the new socket.
   
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Do you really think any AMD owner gives a ... about your Intel platform and about the fact you have a closed door towards easier CPU upgrades due to the Intel greed. Every year they release a new platform along a new old CPU but differently packed.
Technically, I'm an AMD owner too since I own a few AMD systems (AM3:890GX+1055T+HD 5670; AM2:780G+4450e; AM3:GF6100 M-ITX+Sempron 140; 939:GF6150+Sempron 3200). Unfortunately, the Thuban rarely gets used (only for encoding) as the games I play like Intel better.

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I have a question .Don t you think your Intel PC could be much cheaper by simply using a motheboard with the CPU soldered to it from the factory ? As you anyway need to buy CPU+ mobo every year ?!
Why would you upgrade the CPU every year? It usually takes around 2~3 processor generations before there's an appreciable performance improvement that would make it worth upgrading and by that time, you're bound to need a new board.

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Why do you cry here on the AMD section about your Intel own problem ?!
AMD understood the bad moves they ve made after the Socket A ,they try now to alow users to move slowly towards the new CPU-s.
I'm not crying. I'm merely stating facts. Change goes along with progress. Eventually, AMD is going to have to change sockets or be left behind. As zakiva mentioned, there's only so much backwards compatibility you could do until it starts to hinder you.

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And don t talk about AM3+ as there is nothing clear yet.
I don t think AMD will do any mistakes with the new socket.
Hasn't it already been established that Bulldozer will be on AM3+? Motherboard manufacturers may get around to enabling use of Bulldozer on AM3 through BIOS updates but that's not officially supported. Besides, where did I mention that AMD will make mistakes with the new socket? Personally, I don't view the move to a new socket as a mistake. It's just a sign of progress.
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The idea is that AMD is just building off the design, keeping the same socket design and compatibility since 2002...
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AM2 come out in 2006?
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