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Originally Posted by rui-no-onna View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AM2 come out in 2006?
i thought it was 07 ? i got AM2+ in 08, and ive been using it ever since and my board also supports the new x6 chips imo thats a good upgrade path

i will be changing to AM3+ for bulldozer tho i think that is their first forced upgrade for quite a while because bulldozer is a radically different architecture it will require an AM3+ board but am3 chips will also work in it.
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post #12 of 14
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Intel doesn't really release sockets every 6 months. Unfortunately, they're segregating the mainstream and low-end markets from the high-end which isn't really all that nice for the consumer. Another issue with Intel is there tends to be an overlap in pricing on their mainstream and high-end offerings.

LGA-2011 is the replacement to LGA-1366 (released November 2008, ~3 years old) while LGA-1155 is the replacement to LGA-1156 (released September 2009, ~1.5 years old). LGA-1156 is very short lived but then again, even back when Lynnfield released, we already knew LGA-1155 was coming and LGA-1156 was likely going to be a transitional socket.

Too bad AMD seems to be following Intel's lead in terms of market segregation. Llano (Low End, Mainstream) will be on socket FM1 while Bulldozer (High End) is on AM3+. However, given Llano has an integrated GPU and Bulldozer doesn't so I guess that was inevitable. Looks like having a "stopper" CPU isn't an option anymore. If you go mainstream, you can't upgrade to high-end unless you swap out your motherboard, too. It's a good thing AMD's processors tend to be cheaper than Intel's.
Do you really think any AMD owner gives a ... about your Intel platform and about the fact you have a closed door towards easier CPU upgrades due to the Intel greed.Every year they release a new platform along a new old CPU but differently packed.

I have a question .Don t you think your Intel PC could be much cheaper by simply using a motheboard with the CPU soldered to it from the factory ?As you anyway need to buy CPU+ mobo every year ?!

Why do you cry here on the AMD section about your Intel own problem ?!
AMD understood the bad moves they ve made after the Socket A ,they try now to alow users to move slowly towards the new CPU-s.

And don t talk about AM3+ as there is nothing clear yet.
I don t think AMD will do any mistakes with the new socket.
Bit harsh wasn't it? I was interested in his post, and thought it was a very balanced and fair view. The Am socket is often thought of for it's compatibility with processors spanning several years and different releases, but it's also a universal socket that can be used for the cheapest AMD to the most expensive, something that you can't do on Intel. rui-no-onna was simply stating this, and that with the coming generation, this unversal socket compatibility will be lost, which was major cost "plus" for AMD users.
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i thought it was 07 ? i got AM2+ in 08, and ive been using it ever since and my board also supports the new x6 chips imo thats a good upgrade path

i will be changing to AM3+ for bulldozer tho i think that is their first forced upgrade for quite a while because bulldozer is a radically different architecture it will require an AM3+ board but am3 chips will also work in it.
Pretty sure it was 2006. That was the year AMD had 3 sockets at the same time (754, 939, AM2). Supposedly, AM2 was only a replacement for 754 and 939 was "safe" for a while but AM2 ended up replacing 939, too. By the way, did AMD get any flack for the 754/939 thing? Because Intel received a ton of criticism on LGA-1156/LGA-1366.

My motherboard actually has a BIOS upgrade available to enable Bulldozer support. I might go for it if BD significantly cuts down on load power consumption while improving performance.

In fairness to Intel, if you got Nehalem back in 2008, your CPU was top dog until Sandy Bridge arrived. AMD didn't have anything to compete with (Thuban is only better in some select applications) and Gulftown was nothing more than a token release. That's amazing longevity for a CPU. Of course, there's the issue of platform cost. Cheapest X58 board was around $250, I think. Add $300 for the i7 and that's already $550 for just MB+CPU. Deneb was around $200-250 when it was first released, but motherboards can be had for ~$100. That leaves you $200-250 which is incidentally, also the launch price of the 1055T. Granted, unless you do video encoding or 3D work (or one of the few other applications that can take advantage of 6 cores), I don't see much sense in upgrading from Deneb to Thuban.

Deneb was awesome and it was released at the right price, at the right time. It was better than Core 2 Quad but it wasn't prohibitively expensive like the Core i7. Unfortunately, this time around Intel released mainstream versions first so it's a bit trickier for AMD. Bulldozer needs to at least match mainstream Sandy Bridge performance if they want the $200-300 market and they can't simply do it by just upping the core count. There's a reason why Thuban has drastically dropped down in price while Intel's Core i5 and i7 maintained their prices - it's because most programs want better per core performance than they do more cores (at least beyond 4).
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^ I like this guy.

I would agree with everything you said, and also never really thought about how Intel released mainstream first which is accessible to a lot more people (myself included) than it would have been if they released the high end socket first.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
    
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