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It's only a matter of time before they completely remove them from mother boards too.
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000 View Post
On most cheaply made keyboards, like everything Razer makes (), you will run into a situation where if you hold down a few keys at the same time, some of them will not register.

What they mean by "anti-ghosting" is usually they have optimized the keyboard so that it will not block any keys most commonly held down in FPS games. Not a good excuse IMO, but better then nothing.
Quite an accusation. Razer actually doesn't have ghosting and I know the Tarantula has 5KRO (although 10KRO was promised).


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Hilarious, where's that from?
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It's reached past the point of being used incorrectly now. The usage of the term has simply changed. If you search google for "keyboard ghosting", you'll be hard pressed to find anything about the old usage of the term.

Remember that ghosting for keyboards was never a dictionary definition, like monitor ghosting. It was simply a term the industry used. Since the industry has been using it to mean that your keyboard keys won't block (to an extent), that is what it means now.

Any arguing differently is just confusing people, and is now in fact wrong. Ghosting doesn't replace the term "NKRO" or rollover in general; it's just a supplemental term that is vague, and means something has been done to optimize the matrix to prevent keys from being blocked. It is awkward to describe that using "xKRO", as Razer's keyboard would still have 2KRO.
So what do we call the extra characters that can sometimes be registered with certain keypress combinations on certain keyboards?
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On most cheaply made keyboards, like everything Razer makes (), you will run into a situation where if you hold down a few keys at the same time, some of them will not register.
This is called blocking, and the vast majority of keyboards made from the mid 80s onwards do this. In fact, blocking is a deliberate design decision used to prevent ghosting in keyboards.

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So what do we call the extra characters that can sometimes be registered with certain keypress combinations on certain keyboards?
Exactly. This attitude of "Well, Razer's marketing department calls it this, so therefore it is so" is kinda stupid. This is the sort of school of thought that causes people to call scissor switches clicky because they make noise.

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Any arguing differently is just confusing people, and is now in fact wrong.
Totally agree. Let us standardize on the correct terminology and cease confusing people with inaccurate definitions.
Edited by ch_123 - 4/8/11 at 2:19am
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Dont believe in Ghost till I see one.
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What a racist forum. Urban Dictionary Definition of Spook.
Edited by ripster - 4/8/11 at 7:39pm
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Thanks for the replies - even if there are some different meanings suggested, I know the general idea is keys a) working when they shouldn't b) not working when they should due to other keys are being pressed.

I don't remember it happening with my last keyboard (Apple, numeric, wired) - well, until I spilt very sweet, sticky coffee on it - and hopefully it won't happen with this one.

According to cuad,

This suggests that PS/2 is better than USB? I don't know the date of the article so maybe that's changed and USB can do "full -n key rollover"... I also know that very little is quite as straight forwards as better / worse in computing. I'd always thought that PS/2 was an old 'socket' type, being slowly faded out.
Currently, the benefit of PS/2 is mainly for mechanical keyboards that feature NKRO. However, there are a couple of mechanical keyboards now that feature true NKRO over USB.

When I say NKRO, I'm not talking about Ghosting because Ghosting is something entirely different. I will never use the term Ghosting when talking about key rollover or blocked keys. Ever. The word "Ghost" refers to something that appears out of nowhere, and that's exactly what the problem used to be with older keyboards: if 2 or more keys were pressed simultaneously, then sometimes other characters appeared that you did not press - not even accidentally. There's no logical way to justify the use of the name "Ghosting" to mean "blocked keys", or "lack of key rollover", or whatever - I don't care what anyone says.


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Basically Microsoft figured out how to offer NKRO over USB on their sidewinder keyboard, and noppo released a keyboard a while after that which supported it as well. Those are the only ones I've heard of so far. It's speculated that there will be more models with this feature in the future.
But those Microsoft keyboards don't have NKRO. NKRO is NKRO, and their keyboards don't have it. If anything, it's 26KRO. That's 78 keys short of NKRO.


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Quite an accusation. Razer actually doesn't have ghosting and I know the Tarantula has 5KRO (although 10KRO was promised).
You're right: none of them have Ghosting issues; that's an old problem that we don't have with today's keyboards. However, they do have a noticeable lack of key rollover.

Also, they do make low quality keyboards.


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So what do we call the extra characters that can sometimes be registered with certain keypress combinations on certain keyboards?
Exactly.

They originally called it "Ghosting" for a reason, and I intend to keep this fact alive. It makes no sense to say that a keyboard has "Ghosting issues" when blocked keystrokes are discovered because a "Ghost" is something that appears out of nowhere.
Edited by TwoCables - 4/8/11 at 9:22am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_qui...r_the_lazy_dog

THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG
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Oh please. That's not a test of NKRO. All that shows is that your keyboard can type "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" while both Shift keys are held down. It's not a practical test.
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