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im drooling just thinking about putting 2 of these in my next rig.......
what socket type?
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That's obviously fake.

I could get an SR-2 and two X5660s (12 cores, 24 threads) and overclock them to the performance level of 20 cores and 40 threads for HALF the price of ONE of those.

So, I can get 40 cores and 80 threads for the same price as their 10 cores and 20 threads.

Sure, it's a better architecture, but how much is that really going to give me?
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20 threads... kill it with fire, before it takes over the world
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I specifically expressed that I DO understand that.

But that, in fact, I don't care about it because this is OCN, not a corporation in need of a flexible server database.
Right, but to say that Intel is scamming people is pretty ludicrous. These chips are offered for a specific reason and they are more likely going to be used to RUN OCN than be run BY OCN users.

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That's obviously fake.

I could get an SR-2 and two X5660s (12 cores, 24 threads) and overclock them to the performance level of 20 cores and 40 threads for HALF the price of ONE of those.

So, I can get 40 cores and 80 threads for the same price as their 10 cores and 20 threads.

Sure, it's a better architecture, but how much is that really going to give me?
Even el reg is quoting those prices: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04...eon_e7_launch/



Its the same with AMDs Opterons (+HE), they are developed to be more stable and consume less power than a processor that someone is not necessarily going to leave on all the time. Hence, you pay a premium.

Intel, as I think most of us know by know, is in a position where they dont HAVE to compete solely on price because their chips command a premium for their performance per watt. It's naive to think that just affording more cores with consumer (prosumer) chips makes the enterprise chips a total waste.
    
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I specifically expressed that I DO understand that.

But that, in fact, I don't care about it because this is OCN, not a corporation in need of a flexible server database.
Don't read the article then?

Just because this site is called Overclock.net doesn't mean we should only talk about overclocking. There are plenty of sections relating to things well beyond OCing on this forum.
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Track, I'll respond to your PM here. No need to keep this in private...

I laughed at many parts of the comment. First, all of the support you provide for the prices being fake, does not, in fact, provide any evidence to the contrary. The Xeon X5690 sells for $1700 on Newegg. The only (main) difference between this and the 990X is the extra QPI Link, yet it commands a 70% higher price ($700). These chips will no doubt have at least one extra QPI link, if not more.

The X7560 (socket 1567, Intel's top end server socket) sells for $3838 per chip if 1000 units are purchased. These E7000 chips will be socket 2011, Intel's new top end server. So, the prices are not ridiculous at all (in terms of probability).


Second, I laughed at your SR-2 comment because overclocking a 12C/24T machine to the performance level of an Ivy Bridge based 20C/40T system is nothing less than humorous. First, you have to make up for the extra 8C/16T. Second, you have to make up for the architectural differences. SB itself is around 15% faster clock for clock. IB should widen that gap even more.

So yeah, that's why I laughed.


EDIT: I see you were talking about this verses single 10C/20T chip. Your comment makes a bit more sense now, but you're missing the main point of these chips. The X7000/E7000 chips are made to be used in configurations of up to 4 chips per system. Also, you don't overclock servers. If you want more performance, get more or faster chips.
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Track, I'll respond to your PM here. No need to keep this in private...
That's fine. I just thought you were a troll and didn't want to start a flame war in the thread.

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I laughed at many parts of the comment. First, all of the support you provide for the prices being fake, does not, in fact, provide any evidence to the contrary. The Xeon X5690 sells for $1700 on Newegg. The only (main) difference between this and the 990X is the extra QPI Link, yet it commands a 70% higher price ($700). These chips will no doubt have at least one extra QPI link, if not more.
That's a wrong assumption.

The X5690 sells for 1,700$ for the same reason the 995x exists.

The X5660 is equivalent in performance and sells for 1,000$

So no, you're not paying much of a premium for the extra QPI.

Furthermore, it's not something that SHOULD cost more money because it doesn't cost any more to make.

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The X7560 (socket 1567, Intel's top end server socket) sells for $3838 per chip if 1000 units are purchased. These E7000 chips will be socket 2011, Intel's new top end server. So, the prices are not ridiculous at all (in terms of probability).
I never said it was ridiculous. I said that it's not viable for the consumer segment of the market, which everyone here has taken out of context.

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Second, I laughed at your SR-2 comment because overclocking a 12C/24T machine to the performance level of an Ivy Bridge based 20C/40T system is nothing less than humorous. First, you have to make up for the extra 8C/16T. Second, you have to make up for the architectural differences. SB itself is around 15% faster clock for clock. IB should widen that gap even more.
Let's walk through the math, then:

SR-2 = 2 x 6 Cores/12 Threads = 12 Cores/24 Threads.

E7 = 2 x 10 Core/20 Threads = 20 Cores/40 Threads.

Now, the X5660s are clocked at 2.8Ghz, while the E7s are clocked at 2.2Ghz average.

The X5660s can overclock just like 980x, and will likely top out around 4.5Ghz on a TRUE.

So, if you will:

12 x 4.5Ghz = 54Ghz

20 x 2.2Ghz = 44Ghz + 15% = 50.6Ghz

Not to mention that the SR-2 will have VASTLY superior single-core performance.

SR-2 will cost 2,500$.

E7 will cost 8,000$+.

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So yeah, that's why I laughed.
I hope you won't again.
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That's fine. I just thought you were a troll and didn't want to start a flame war in the thread.



That's a wrong assumption.

The X5690 sells for 1,700$ for the same reason the 995x exists.

The X5660 is equivalent in performance and sells for 1,000$

So no, you're not paying much of a premium for the extra QPI.

Furthermore, it's not something that SHOULD cost more money because it doesn't cost any more to make.



I never said it was ridiculous. I said that it's not viable for the consumer segment of the market, which everyone here has taken out of context.



Let's walk through the math, then:

SR-2 = 2 x 6 Cores/12 Threads = 12 Cores/24 Threads.

E7 = 2 x 10 Core/20 Threads = 20 Cores/40 Threads.

Now, the X5660s are clocked at 2.8Ghz, while the E7s are clocked at 2.2Ghz average.

The X5660s can overclock just like 980x, and will likely top out around 4.5Ghz on a TRUE.

So, if you will:

12 x 4.5Ghz = 54Ghz

20 x 2.2Ghz = 44Ghz + 15% = 50.6Ghz

Not to mention that the SR-2 will have VASTLY superior single-core performance.

SR-2 will cost 2,500$.

E7 will cost 8,000$+.



I hope you won't again.
You keep missing the point.

ANY comparison between an overclocked SR2 and an Ivy Bridge Xeon is ludicrous. These chips are headed for mission critical servers where overclocking IS NOT AN OPTION (Banks, Trading, Credit Card Companies, Airlines Reservations, IRS, etc.).

RELIABILITY is the priority, and anything "overclocked" reduces that reliability and is therefore NOT AN OPTION.
Edited by JasonCz - 4/8/11 at 11:31am
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omg lol.. who is this Track fool and why does he keep embarrassing himself?
admin my ass, you sound like a stubborn & naive child
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That's obviously fake.

I could get an SR-2 and two X5660s (12 cores, 24 threads) and overclock them to the performance level of 20 cores and 40 threads for HALF the price of ONE of those.

So, I can get 40 cores and 80 threads for the same price as their 10 cores and 20 threads.

Sure, it's a better architecture, but how much is that really going to give me?
Trust me, when your node has dozens of these at a time running 24/7, overclocking is the LAST THING you'll ever want to do. It'd be worse than cat hair.

You'll learn what "mission critical" means soon.

Edit: well look at that.. ofcourse someone beat me to it.
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