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Oh, you mean about the keys being kind of low? I guess they are compared to other keyboards. But not a problem for me.


Keys from deck are more or less like KT inn the picture

Keys from Xarmor are like DCS, and this made an huge difference (I have a BL82 side by side to my Qpad).

True one can get used, but why one should spend more to have less ?
post #132 of 145
To Wolf:

I think its a good idea to just try a variety of switches before you buy. That's what I tell everyone. I know for me... I prefer linear. So it comes down to the red switch, or the black switch.
post #133 of 145
Tank guys website down? Been trying to go on there the last couple of days, but page won't load.
post #134 of 145
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Originally Posted by The Solutor View Post
Keys from deck are more or less like KT inn the picture

Keys from Xarmor are like DCS, and this made an huge difference (I have a BL82 side by side to my Qpad).

True one can get used, but why one should spend more to have less ?
Love that picture, thank you. OK, I understand what you mean now. I primarily use this keyboard for gaming now that I ordered a Unicomp Spacesaver. All I know is in FPSs I have complete control over my actions and how I play. It is very comfy. I do love the Deck. The keys all being flat and the same size is a plus for first-person shooters, IMO. WASD being different from one another would be odd for me I think. It's a personal thing. It is a gaming keyboard after all...but sometimes I can have a tough time typing on it, it's true (which is why I use my microphone). If I was rich I would order the Zibal too just for the hell of it.

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To Wolf:

I think its a good idea to just try a variety of switches before you buy. That's what I tell everyone. I know for me... I prefer linear. So it comes down to the red switch, or the black switch.
No, I understand. I did more research than heck when I ordered both my keyboards. I waited for over a month after I decided to get the Deck until I actually ordered it. Please let us know how you feel about the Zibal when you get it in. Post a new topic. I am also interest in hearing an opinion from a red switch user on a black switch as well.
Edited by Deverica Wolf - 7/11/11 at 10:48pm
post #135 of 145
mine coming in today. I have tried literally every switch (topre, clear, red, brown, blue, black) and must say blacks are my all time favorite. this is my preference though, so your's might be different ^^
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post #136 of 145
Yep, definitely just preference. I know that even if I prefer the black over the reds, its not going to be by much. Reds will easily be my second choice. The fact they take very little effort to work with is really nice. They never feel hard to push, its always soft even after hours, and hours of typing.
post #137 of 145
I now believe that I am going to have to mod my left shift key and turn it into a red switch. When I duck in games using l-shift (I don't use Ctrl 'cause my fingers are small) it's pushes against my pinky too much and I cannot press it down as I would like. For the other keys it is great but for crouching it is a pain. Off to Geekhack I am...
post #138 of 145
I will post some pics later I took of the Mionix Zibal 60. But, for now I will post my impressions of the board. Going to post this on Geehack, and on OCN.

- Plastic for the construction of the board seemed cheap to me compared to the Filco. Not sure what the difference is, but just seemed cheap.

- Keycaps as posted on geekhack are I believe exactly the same as Xarmor's, and Razor's. They are I believe lazer etched with a clear coat on them. Overall compared to the Filco's they seemed to be very similar because of the coat, but a little heavier in feel. Possibly a thicker coat was applied.

- Front lip of the keyboard is too large, not a major deal. Although, it made me appreciate the smaller Filco style. Wouldn't be as a big deal either if the plastic seemed nicer.

- Back lighting as some might expect is fairly low compared to a Deck, and maybe even a Xarmor board. Didn't light up the whole keys, and unlike some reports with the Xarmor lights not lighting up the whole keys... I think these are even dimmer. With that said, I really do like the color of the lights. One of the reasons I decided to try it out. The board features WASD lighting only, which I thought was a nice feature.

- Board is fairly heavy, I think they list it at 3.4 pounds. Their are 4 grip feet are rectangular. No grip feet on legs. The feet seemed decent compared to most boards out there.

- Wrist rest just seemed cheap to me. It does hook on pretty well, and can be taken off fairly easily. If you take it off, and on you would risk breaking it. A good added feature, but not of very high quality. Same plastic as board it appears.

- The stabilizer keys had little movement compared to my Filco. Which was probably one of the biggest positives of the board. They didn't rattle much at all.

- Stabilizers in the front spacebar can be easily seen which I found to be ugly. They can also be seen from the Insert key on the number pad in the front of the keyboard.

- When bottoming out the keys sounded entirely different than my Filco. I didn't find the noise overall as satisfying. Although, the board seemed more quiet than my Filco.

In conclusion:

I didn't see the quality here, and I am usually good at noticing quality in all products I see. This board seemed cheaper than the Xarmor U9BL, and I would actually take the Xarmor over this board. I think the design of the board is too big. Back lighting is average at best. Just seems not worth the 150 for those who are interested.

After using more:

Edit: Bottoming out is just harder on the blacks, otherwise sound is very similar. Plastic may not be so cheap, same as Meka G1 it appears, and supposedly survived by getting ran over by a car. So quality still may be good there (which is what matters).

Back lighting after looking at it more is very weak compared to the Xarmor, and obviously the Deck boards. The color of the lighting is more yellow in person then you might expect.

I am taking back the board mainly just because I used the blacks, and found them to be too stiff overall, and especially for typing. I can see why some people might prefer them for gaming. Overall though the black switch required a lot more effort than the red switch I am using now. That was indeed the deal breaker.

I also found the board to be a little ugly, just based on the fact that the plastic seemed cheap (even if it isn't) and then the extra size of the board with the front lip. In addition, the stabilizers showing with the space bar, and the insert key from the front was not visually appealing.

Considering that the Meka G1 got decent reviews from most users, and that this keyboard has back lighting to go with it (even if its not the best back lighting) its still not a bad board. Still worth it to spend more to get the lighting, and to get rid of the logo from the Meka G1. I would rate this board then a 7.5 out of 10. Based on the ugly design (plastic), and below average back lighting (which I am sure plenty of people will have a problem with).

Would have been nice since the back lighting is average/poor, to have more options (besides just WASD) to move the back lighting to other specific keys would have really helped make this board more special.
Edited by Trueepower - 7/12/11 at 10:46pm
post #139 of 145
1+ Rep. Nice info. for those interested in buying. Like I said above the Deck is only a little more money and also the Filco is the same price. Also the Ducky Shine is coming up soon too so there are many choices out there. But I am sure people will buy the Zibal and love it. To each their own.

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- Wrist rest just seemed cheap to me. It does hook on pretty well, and can be taken off fairly easily. If you take it off, and on you would risk breaking it. A good added feature, but not of very high quality. Same plastic as board it appears.
I heard about that same problem with the XArmor. I would never use an included wrist-rest. I would just use a comfy independent one.
Edited by Deverica Wolf - 7/12/11 at 5:25pm
post #140 of 145
The first generation Xarmor had problems like that with their wrist rest. I tried the second generation, and it lifted up the keyboard. Even with that said, at least the plastic for the Xarmor was better.

My thoughts on the blacks Wolf... I thought they were extremely stiff compared to a red switch. I didn't like them at all for typing. Even though I have strong hands I really felt like the reds were smoother. It's taken me awhile to get use to their "lightness", but they are really growing on me.
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