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At first I was like, NO WAY GREEN LEDS AND IT MATCHES MY NAOS 5000?

But then I was like, gross, only black switches.(According to picture, hopefully they have reds.)
After a good chunk of time with two different Cherry Red keyboards I can honestly say that they are overhyped. That's not to say they're bad in any way, I absolutely love the switch, but they're certainly not some holy grail gaming switch, the move from Cherry Black to Red was no where near the level of moving from rubber dome to Cherry Black (or mechanical in general).

I can also honestly express the opinion that Cherry Blacks are probably the better switch for gaming. I enjoy the greater resistance of the Black switches while gaming as I feel it makes it a bit easier to hover around the actuation point for incredibly fast repeat key spam.

That being said, I really do love Cherry Reds as an all around switch considering that I prefer typing on them compared to Blacks.

To sum things up, it might be commonplace to hear the Cherry Switches described in such a manner:

Blues for typing
Blacks for gaming
Browns as a compromise between the two

Given that common train of thought, I'd actually describe Cherry Reds as another compromise switch, with Browns being a compromise favoring typing while Reds would be a compromise favoring gaming.


So really I'm not surprised or let down that Mionix chose to go with Cherry Blacks, after all they are in the business of gaming peripherals.
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After a good chunk of time with two different Cherry Red keyboards I can honestly say that they are overhyped. That's not to say they're bad in any way, I absolutely love the switch, but they're certainly not some holy grail gaming switch, the move from Cherry Black to Red was no where near the level of moving from rubber dome to Cherry Black (or mechanical in general).

I can also honestly express the opinion that Cherry Blacks are probably the better switch for gaming. I enjoy the greater resistance of the Black switches while gaming as I feel it makes it a bit easier to hover around the actuation point for incredibly fast repeat key spam.

That being said, I really do love Cherry Reds as an all around switch considering that I prefer typing on them compared to Blacks.
so are you saying a switch between red and black would be perfect for gaming? with 52.5g force
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My mouse isn't bad. Others have reported the squeaky mouse wheel that I also have.

Also, about the buttons, they flex for everyone when you push hard along the side of the button, more noticable with the claw grip as your finger is positioned right over the area that bends. (Caves in). "Caves in" might be a little too harsh though as it only slightly bends inwards. However other mice I have don't have that design flaw.

The only thing wrong with my mouse that may be my fault is that right click cheap feeling, which may be just because I've used the mouse for 4 months under EXTREME use. (I have no life)

I almost forgot that once in a blue moon the mouse will refuse to start up with my PC requiring me to replug it back in. (Also reported by others.)

I HIGHLY doubt I have a bad mouse as many of the things wrong with mine others have experiences also.

Also about the keyboard, everyone seems to be using iOne as their main foundation, I wouldn't be surprised if this is just another Razer Blackwidow with different switches.
If you disable USB Legacy support in the bios it will help your problem.Even then if you start your pc up from sleep mode with your keyboard instead of your mouse you should not have any more problems.It takes a little gettin used too but thats how I dealt with it.

Other than that mouse has been solid so far.
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After a good chunk of time with two different Cherry Red keyboards I can honestly say that they are overhyped. That's not to say they're bad in any way, I absolutely love the switch, but they're certainly not some holy grail gaming switch, the move from Cherry Black to Red was no where near the level of moving from rubber dome to Cherry Black (or mechanical in general).

I can also honestly express the opinion that Cherry Blacks are probably the better switch for gaming. I enjoy the greater resistance of the Black switches while gaming as I feel it makes it a bit easier to hover around the actuation point for incredibly fast repeat key spam.

That being said, I really do love Cherry Reds as an all around switch considering that I prefer typing on them compared to Blacks.

To sum things up, it might be commonplace to hear the Cherry Switches described in such a manner:

Blues for typing
Blacks for gaming
Browns as a compromise between the two

Given that common train of thought, I'd actually describe Cherry Reds as another compromise switch, with Browns being a compromise favoring typing while Reds would be a compromise favoring gaming.


So really I'm not surprised or let down that Mionix chose to go with Cherry Blacks, after all they are in the business of gaming peripherals.
I have yet to try reds, but I think the "hype" is just really the rarity of the switch. People are curious to try it and not many people had.

Anyway, I don't like how people categorize the switches by gaming, typing, etc. If you like linear switches, they are great to type on. It's surprisingly not that different than the other two. People just make it out to be very different, yet it's not nearly as close to the difference from a cheap rubber dome to a MX board. Being a guideline is fine, for those that don't have the luxury of trying them all before hand. But in all reality, people should just choose what they like. Maybe I want blues for gaming, or blacks for typing.
Edited by clownfart - 4/11/11 at 9:58am
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After a good chunk of time with two different Cherry Red keyboards I can honestly say that they are overhyped.
Within the first 20 minutes of me finding out about what a mechanical keyboard was in the mechanical keyboard thread, I decided I wanted red because I love a light touch. Not because everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Other's "fads" have no effect on what I want.
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so are you saying a switch between red and black would be perfect for gaming? with 52.5g force
no, I'm saying Blacks are already "perfect" for gaming, or at least the gaming I do (competitive FPS), what I was trying to convey is that (at least IMO) Reds are not a better gaming switch but actually a more balanced switch given that their lighter weight makes them more enjoyable to type on.

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Within the first 20 minutes of me finding out about what a mechanical keyboard was in the mechanical keyboard thread, I decided I wanted red because I love a light touch. Not because everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Other's "fads" have no effect on what I want.
That's like picking out your favorite game based on reviews and never having played the games.

I had thought Cherry Reds would be the night-and-day best feeling gaming switch but settled for Blacks as I had deemed Reds not worth the risk to spend that much on without trying Blacks first.

Several switch types later and I feel confident in vouching for Blacks as a gaming switch. Again, this isn't to say Reds are bad, just that they're a tad overhyped, something their exclusiveness through rarity tends to exacerbate.

If I was going to build myself a rig strictly for gaming I would pair it with a keyboard using Cherry Blacks. That being said, my current keyboard of choice consists of Cherry Reds for being better for typing and nearly as good as Blacks for gaming.
Edited by bojinglebells - 4/11/11 at 2:52pm
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Good info, makes me glad I did finally pick up a red board. Anyway, you must realize those are your preferences, but I will agree, there's no way it can be miles different, as it is just another Cherry MX switch.
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And its out
http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=zibal60



FEATURES

Black Cherry MX Mechanical key switches
Mechanical non-tactile Cherry MX black switches with 18K Gold plated switch connectors ensures durability and longer life time.

Comfortable design
Designed with a detachable wrist rest to be comfortable throughout long gaming sessions.

Green backlit key illumination
Every switch is fitted with a single green LED and you can choose from the three different lighting modes.

Three lighting modes On, Off and WASD
Select between the three lighting modes On, Off and WASD.

Multi-level brightness control
Three level adjustable brightness control.

Mionix action key
The Mionix Action key provides instant access to all the media and illumination functions.

Six key rollover
Register up to six keystrokes simultaneously.

Rage proof durability
Fends off rage blasts thanks to the 1.6 mm thick steel frame and heavy duty braided cable.

Built to last
Lifespan of 50 million keystrokes and wear resistant laser printed keycaps

Connect-through port for audio
Superior audio quality thanks to the insulated shielded cables

Full speed USB 2.0 hub
Inbuilt with a two port USB 2.0 hub powered by its own USB cable.

Plug n Play
Complete Plug n Play, all functions can be performed without any software or drivers.
Edited by HaiiYaa - 4/14/11 at 10:23am
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And its out
http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=zibal60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pt3yEV_Wbs


FEATURES

Black Cherry MX Mechanical key switches
Mechanical non-tactile Cherry MX black switches with 18K Gold plated switch connectors ensures durability and longer life time.

Comfortable design
Designed with a detachable wrist rest to be comfortable throughout long gaming sessions.

Green backlit key illumination
Every switch is fitted with a single green LED and you can choose from the three different lighting modes.

Three lighting modes On, Off and WASD
Select between the three lighting modes On, Off and WASD.

Multi-level brightness control
Three level adjustable brightness control.

Mionix action key
The Mionix Action key provides instant access to all the media and illumination functions.

Six key rollover
Register up to six keystrokes simultaneously.

Rage proof durability
Fends off rage blasts thanks to the 1.6 mm thick steel frame and heavy duty braided cable.

Built to last
Lifespan of 50 million keystrokes and wear resistant laser printed keycaps

Connect-through port for audio
Superior audio quality thanks to the insulated shielded cables

Full speed USB 2.0 hub
Inbuilt with a two port USB 2.0 hub powered by its own USB cable.

Plug n Play
Complete Plug n Play, all functions can be performed without any software or drivers.

It's released? It's not on Newegg yet.


Has anyone heard anything as far as prices go?
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It's released? It's not on Newegg yet.


Has anyone heard anything as far as prices go?
Mionixâ„¢ Zibal 60 will be available worldwide to pre-order today and delivery in June 2011
Suggested retail price: $149.99 / €149.99
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