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I agree.

You can't learn to make the north pole warm, but you can learn to touch type. Your analogies really suck, Solutor.
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I personally know the keys I need to press when I am gaming without looking down. But if I have to type something(like this reply for instance), I don't know how to type normally, thus causing me to look down at my keys whilst doing so. Doesn't make me a horrible gaming, but being a great gamer doesn't make me a great touch typist.
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I personally know the keys I need to press when I am gaming without looking down. But if I have to type something(like this reply for instance), I don't know how to type normally, thus causing me to look down at my keys whilst doing so. Doesn't make me a horrible gaming, but being a great gamer doesn't make me a great touch typist.
ok, so you can touch-game, that still supports my argument and is included in what I said in this previous post.

and even if you bought an illuminated keyboard to help you type in the dark because you cannot touch-type, that still falls under my argument that an illuminated keyboard does not help improve gaming ability

it also works for my argument about becoming a better typist in general, because anything that helps or encourages you to look at the keyboard is a crutch and only hurts your ability to become a better typist
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ok, so you can touch-game, that still supports my argument and is included in what I said in this previous post.

and even if you bought an illuminated keyboard to help you type in the dark because you cannot touch-type, that still falls under my argument that an illuminated keyboard does not help improve gaming ability

it also works for my argument about becoming a better typist in general, because anything that helps or encourages you to look at the keyboard is a crutch and only hurts your ability to become a better typist
You are correct, I really just like the aesthetics of the board which is why I am getting it, otherwise I would get a DAS.
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if a someone truly wants to actually become a better gamer
Who decided that me or someone else want or needs to be a better gamer, my gaming skill is perfectly fine for my needs.

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(or at least put themselves on par with other people living in this modern world in the age of computers, not just for gaming)

Frankly judging a "modern" world by ability in doing a thing that comes straight from the end of 1800 it's a bit pointless, isn't it ?

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what's more is gaming just about requires touch control; if you're constantly having to look down at your keyboard to know you're hitting the correct keys, you're not going to have an easy time winning any of your games let alone have much fun playing
Have you ever considered that someone (likely the vast majority of pc users ) couldn't care less about winning in a lanparty, or in playing games at all ?

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I would like to express that I really don't have anything against back-lighting as long as its treated for what it really should be - an aesthetic feature.
Hahaha.

You should tell that backlight is just aesthetics to all the cellphone and car stereo makers and so on
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You are correct, I really just like the aesthetics of the board which is why I am getting it, otherwise I would get a DAS.
And I never said there was anything wrong with backlighting for aesthetic value - I think this keyboard looks very cool, although green wouldn't be my first choice of color.

I was merely pointing out the fallacy of treating backlighting as a tangible asset to gaming outside of aesthetics.


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Who decided that me or someone else want or needs to be a better gamer, my gaming skill is perfectly fine for my needs.
You did when you suggested that backlighting is useful for people interested in this gaming keyboard?

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Frankly judging a "modern" world by ability in doing a thing that comes straight from the end of 1800 it's a bit pointless, isn't it ?
Try to downplay it all you want, but the ability to operate a computer is a modern necessity for most careers.

Maybe you're lucky to avoid computers with a blue collar job, but even outside the job computers play a major role in modern culture with the internet.

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Have you ever considered that someone (likely the vast majority of pc users ) couldn't care less about winning in a lanparty, or in playing games at all ?
Except this thread is about a keyboard being produced by a gaming-peripherals company intended to be used for gaming?

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Hahaha.

You should tell that backlight is just aesthetics to all the cellphone and car stereo makers and so on
There you go with poor analogies again. I don't need a glowing steering wheel or stick shift or pedals to operate my car. Heck, fiddling with back-lit stereos and cellphones get people killed while driving.
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You did when you suggested that backlighting is useful for people interested in this gaming keyboard?
I said that the retroillumination is an huge added value, and I repeat it if you want.

There's no need to be a gamer to buy a supposedly gaming keyboard, mionix, xarmor and so on are good keyboards, then use it for whatever you want.

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Try to downplay it all you want, but the ability to operate a computer is a modern necessity for most careers.
Just to keep you informed I had my first PC in 1982, and I'm an IT worker since 1990, I was part of the staff of one of the main Italian tech sites for 5 years, you can find my contribution to linux, android, windows mobile, symbian, everywhere and so on... So I should know something about PCs, Internet, mobile phones but I still find the backlight useful as i don't care about became a touch typist.

Is this a problem for you ?

The day I need to find a secretary job, I'll learn to touchtipe, for now my energies are dedicated to some smarter tasks.

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Except this is thread is about a keyboard being produced by a gaming-peripherals company intended to be used for gaming?
It's a keyboard, likely good keyboard, use it for whatever you want, there's no need of being narrow minded to use it.
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I said that the retroillumination is an huge added value, and I repeat it if you want.
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I'm getting old too, but while the led fans are just useless, a backlit keyboard is damn useful.
usefulness and value are two different things. Value can be in the eye of the beholder, so now you're just trying to twist what you originally said into something I can't argue against, but you did say it. I'll admit your original statement could be considered as valid when taken strictly by itself (although I would actually argue an LED fan can be just as useful if not more so as they provide superior feedback as whether or not the fan is running), but I took it in the context that this thread is about a gaming keyboard and that readers of this thread would have that mindset.

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There's no need to be a gamer to buy a supposedly gaming keyboard, mionix, xarmor and so on are good keyboards, then use it for whatever you want.
And there's also no need to pay a price premium even if you absolutely need a dedicated light source for your keyboard, there are far cheaper illuminated keyboards or methods to illuminate your keyboard. However this particularly keyboard happens to be built for gaming in mind, and as you so love to say, "the vast majority" of potential buyers are more than likely to buy this product because of gaming and not because, for instance, they want to type ridiculous arguments on the internet by sight in the dark.

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Just to keep you informed I had my first PC in 1982, and I'm an IT worker since 1990, I was part of the staff of one of the main Italian tech sites for 5 years, you can find my contribution to linux, android, windows mobile, symbian, everywhere and so on... So I should know something about PCs, Internet, mobile phones but I still find the backlight useful as i don't care about became a touch typist.

Is this a problem for you ?
As the Duke of the Internet since 1996, yes, I don't like lazy subjects. Stop it.

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The day I need to find a secretary job, I'll learn to touchtipe, for now my energies are dedicated to some smarter tasks.
Such as arguing on the internet? Good show. At least I don't have to pick and choose my way over my keyboard when I respond to this, so that's less time I've wasted than you have.



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It's a keyboard, likely good keyboard, use it for whatever you want, there's no need of being narrow minded to use it.
As I said before, the niche you're proposing that will buy and use the keyboard in such a manner is essentially irrelevant


At least you learned about the analogies.
Edited by bojinglebells - 4/16/11 at 7:26am
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Beating up an Italian for his English analogies is like beating up a Ginger for having no soul.

What does this whole discussion have to do with one of the FOUR backlit Mechanicals in the market?
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usefulness and value are two different things. Value can be in the eye of the beholder, so now you're just trying to twist what you originally said into something I can't argue against, but you did say it. I'll admit your original statement could be considered as valid when taken strictly by itself (although I would actually argue an LED fan can be just as useful if not more so as they provide superior feedback as whether or not the fan is running), but I took it in the context that this thread is about a gaming keyboard and that readers of this thread would have that mindset.
Seem that this tread is in the keyboard section, not in the "gaming keyboard" section and it's title is just "Z60 Mechanical backlit keyboard", so "gaming" is just in your mind.

I'm used to speak about real things not about hallucinations.

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And there's also no need to pay a price premium even if you absolutely need a dedicated light source for your keyboard, there are far cheaper illuminated keyboards
This keyboard cost more than others because it's mechanical rather than because it's backlit, there are fare more expensive mech keyboard.

If you don't like mech keyboards and you don't like the backlit ones, what's your role in this thread ?

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As the Duke of the Internet since 1996
I'm sorry, If I haven't figured "your highness" earlier.

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As I said before, the niche you're proposing
What niche ? every keyboard should be illuminated.

We are in 2011, remember ?
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