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That guy is pretty much one shotting my tank (Aveline) - at least takes her down to almost no health. He can't be CCed most of the time - glyph of paralysis do not work, horror do not work, even the rogue flask do not work on him. Gosh this guy is giving me fits! I am finding him tougher than that darn elemental boss at the end of act 1. And he is vanishing almost immediately after a back stab. So he is like back stab - vanish - back stab - vanish. At one point, I only had Aveline and Isabela left and I brought him down to like a few bars of health. And then he one shots Aveline and one shots Isabela. Gosh!

My team: Hawke (mage), Aveline, Varric, Isabela.
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What difficulty setting? don't remember him being all that tough even on NM party wise I would say speced full mitigation fenris is a better tank than aveline (though more vs casters than in this situation).

I see you mention CC but what group/party individual buffs are you running? you can gain allot of defence using party wide auras and unlike CC that as you note rarely works on bosses defence and resist are always helpful.

Try droping a few G at the emporium on makers regret potions and see if you can find a build that works, I assume as your the only mage you are healing and running the party 20% defence thing at least? If you continue to struggle swap out party members until you find something that works 2 rogues bring very little to the table beyond the dps so my first move would be to drop isabella and grab anders to abuse his extra heal.
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Difficulty is nightmare. And I got the 20% defense aura to all. With rock armor (primal fully specced), arcane shield, and the battle mage fortitude specialization, I can actually tank almost as good as Aveline, which is hilarious.
But yeah - Isabella, inspite of her ridiculous DPS, has been a waste - she dies almost too quick. Most of the time I had to keep her on the side before Aveline can generate some good threat. Even at that, I loose her in a minute if I am not micro managing her. And those blasted enemy rouges will fling her away as soon as she touch them - so I just use her to mop thrash or non-mele boss (except Revnants for which she works wonders!) I feel I am definitely missing something on her. Maybe all the STDs she got sleeping around.

I might have to go in with Anders in the mix. I will have to check out the maker's regret potion as well - have not come across it yet. I never realized Bartrand was such a tough SoB when I went in there. I better come up with something good - spent like 3 hours trying last night.

EDIT: Was he vanishing almost back to back for you? The other rogues I fought do not vanish as quick as he was. That caused me the bulk of the trouble. At least I was getting some time to wail on them.
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I honestly cant even remember the fight, it was not one that took me many attempts or I would have remembered it ^^ Isabella does silly dmg but she is stupid as anything and more often than not ends up tanking : /

I think what I will have done was tried to pummel him with a stupidly huge burst damage early as a rogue boss running around is not nice for anyone. remember just becuase he is in stealth does not mean you cant knock him out of it with aoe.

That said when I did nm It was me as a dagger rogue doing silly dmg and tanking most of the time ^^ Give Edward Fenris a try as a tank I found he was much better than eddie izzard aveline.

Makers regret are only available in the black emporium and are immensely useful they will allow you to respec and reallocate all stat etc on all chars seeing as there is not much else that's useful to spend your money on I carried allot of those and allot of potions around
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As far as I can tell, all AoE hurt my own team pretty bad. Perhaps I can use Merrill and her nature damage sustain spell. Dunno if it will knock a rogue out of stealth.
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all aoe does hit your whole party hence not using melee muchhave to spread everyone out micro lots and stack resist on the tank not sure about merrels sustain try it.
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