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post #41 of 80
1. If you like, praise it or buy it.

2. If you dislike, speak your mind and move on.

3. If you dislike & trying to prove a point, either...

a) you're used to saying the last word
b) you need attention
c) you're just simply hating cuz you don't have one
d) you're a Nvidia fanboi
e) all the above

I like Nvidia & ATI but I've been wanting to give ATI a chance with gaming (2nd time ATI owner since the Rage Pro 128) so I might as well go in with a bang. Simply can't wait to get this card upsidedwnsmiley.gif
Edited by drBlahMan - 4/11/11 at 8:16pm
post #42 of 80
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Originally Posted by drBlahMan;13091986 
1. If you like, praise it or buy it.

2. If you dislike, speak your mind and move on.

3. If you dislike & trying to prove a point, either...

a) you're used to saying the last word
b) you need attention
c) you're just simply hating cuz you don't have one
d) you're a Nvidia fanboi
e) all the above

I like Nvidia & ATI but I've been wanting to give ATI a chance with gaming (2nd time ATI owner since the Rage Pro 128) so I might as well go in with a bang. Simply can't wait to get this card upsidedwnsmiley.gif

There's a difference between posting correct information and being a fanboy. When I was praising the 5870 for walking all over every single Nvidia offering when it was released, was I an ATI fanboy or just correct?

Some people just don't know how to compare cards and get upset when you correct them.
I, like most people, play BC2 mostly and care about its performance more than any other game/benchmark. When BF3 comes out, that will be the new standard to compare cards with. Whether ATI or Nvidia scales poorly in Mafia II, Crysis, or Metro 2033 isn't important to the majority of gamers since you only test them out for a couple hours and quickly get bored anyways.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/11/11 at 8:37pm
post #43 of 80
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa;13091786 
A 570 at stock... haha When are people going to learn. You don't compare a heavily OC'd card to a stock one. An OC'd 570 beats a stock 580. Should we say it's better than a 580 by your logic? What a genius...
Reviews that only OC one card are so useless, it's funny.


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Hey Poopascoopa, piss off. That card is OC and volt modded. yep, that 580 is 150+/- more and this card does quite well against it.

The link I gave shows that the msi 6970 competes well against the 580 and when OC'ed surpasses it it some games... that's all Im say.

Your early post of saphire 6970's showed nothing.

I was kinda on your side earlier in this thread but the more I see of your pompous posts the less I care to see of you.
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post #44 of 80
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Hey Poopascoopa, piss off. That card is OC and volt modded. yep, that 580 is 150+/- more and this card does quite well against it.

The link I gave shows that the msi 6970 competes well against the 580 and when OC'ed surpasses it it some games... that's all Im say.

Your early post of saphire 6970's showed nothing.

I was kinda on your side earlier in this thread but the more I see of your pompous posts the less I care to see of you.
Yeah, let's forget that the 580 can OC too making that comparison utterly pointless... Cause comparing heavily OC'd cards to stock cards has any relevance on OCN.
At least compare two heavily OC'd cards before trying to claim one a victor over the other.

I'm not interested in making "sides" or being attached to any company. My money goes where the price/performance is at purchase and that switches constantly.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/11/11 at 8:45pm
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Mine comes in tomorrow, to bad I am at got school all day!!!
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post #46 of 80
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa;13092189 
Some people just don't know how to compare cards and get upset when you correct them.

Understandable but do you think you can change their mind or even get them to see things the way you do? Does not matter if you're right or wrong. We all know it's a nice card...As for myself, I can care less if it's slower than a GTX 570 (depending on particular games) cuz I've never owned one. Where's the logic with the back & forward debating that's going no where? I've only seen maybe 2 different reviews for this card in this thread and there are about 5 more that nobody has not mentioned.

And BTW...I guess my previous post has slightly rattled you since you had to quote it. It was for the general public of OCN who feels they have to share their thoughts about an AWESOME ATI card (look at me...don't even have it yet wink.gif)
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Originally Posted by bulmung;13092334 
Mine comes in tomorrow, to bad I am at got school all day!!!

Lucky you tongue.gifI gotta wait until Thursday weirdsmiley.gif
Edited by drBlahMan - 4/11/11 at 8:54pm
post #47 of 80
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Originally Posted by drBlahMan;13092371 
Understandable but do you think you can change their mind or even get them to see things the way you do? Does not matter if you're right or wrong. We all know it's a nice card...As for myself, I can care less if it's slower than a GTX 570 (depending on particular games) cuz I've never owned one. Where's the logic with the back & forward debating that's going no where? I've only seen maybe 2 different reviews for this card in this thread and there are about 5 more that nobody has not mentioned.

And BTW...I guess my previous post has slightly rattled you since you had to quote it. It was for the general public of OCN who feels they have to share their thoughts about an AWESOME ATI card (look at me...don't even have it yet wink.gif)
It is an awesome card. OCs extremely well with the TFIII too. Like I said before, it's the better choice for 2560x1600 and below. My setup is a going to be a little different and I don't know if the CAP will be updated to fix 5760x1080.
I'm not rattled by you though, I'm just responding to you. It makes it easier to follow if you quote someone in a reply. drum.gif
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/11/11 at 9:00pm
post #48 of 80
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I'm not rattled by you though, I'm just responding to you. It makes it easier to follow if you quote someone in a reply. drum.gif

thumb.gif.....PM'ed you
post #49 of 80
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa;13091786 
A 570 at stock... haha When are people going to learn. You don't compare a heavily OC'd card to a stock one. An OC'd 570 beats a stock 580. Should we say it's better than a 580 by your logic? What a genius...

Reviews that only OC one card are so useless, it's funny.



That's in AvP. Each game scales differently. At least try to make a coherent argument. Your math is off as well. 14% fps increase with 13% clock increase.

You're also comparing a reference PCB with fewer VRMs to a Lightning model... OCP prevents the Sapphire from achieving similar performance at high current draws. They do not scale linearly from 1000Mhz to 1100Mhz as I stated already. There's a difference between 880Mhz to 1000Mhz and 1000Mhz to 1100Mhz. It's apparent you've never actually tested this yourself or you would of already known this.



You're right, they do scale extremely well. Nvidia should certainly be embarrassed. But in BC2, the benchmark showed that a 560 @ 1004Mhz beat a 6970 @ 941. The gap closes at 2560 though and certainly won't scale as good as two 6950s unlocked to 6970s will.

I understand that all games scale differently. If you know that so well, why do you always refer to SAME BC2 bench from the SAME review. My whole point was that you can't draw conclusions about a card from ONE game, BC2.

Second, math lesson -- percentage increase is difference over original so 6/38 and 135/880. That is 15.7% and 15.3% percentage respectively. Before I just truncated.

Third, you made the claim that 929MHz to 1017MHz doesn't scale well. I provide an exampled that shows it scales fine in another game. If you were only talking about one game then state that clearly. I haven't seen at benches for any game at 1100Mhz so I can't comment on that. If 1000Mhz to 1100MHz scales so badly show some proof of runs at those clocks.

Really all you have done is shown that AMD drivers don't play nice with BC2. That may be true, but you can't say the 6970 won't scale to 1100MHz or that it is only useful in CFX at 1600p or above based on one game review at one review site. As on other games, I can provide arguments to the contrary. Also, people play different games... just because you always play BC2 doesn't mean I do as well.
Edited by JCPUser - 4/11/11 at 9:22pm
post #50 of 80
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Originally Posted by JCPUser;13092671 
I understand that all games scale differently. If you know that so well, why do you always refer to SAME BC2 bench from the SAME review. My whole point was that you can't draw conclusions about a card from ONE game, BC2.

Second, math lesson -- percentage increase is difference over original so 6/38 and 135/880. That is 15.7% and 15.3% percentage respectively. Before I just truncated.

Third, you made the claim that 929MHz to 1017MHz doesn't scale well. I provide an exampled that shows it scales fine in another game. If you were only talking about one game then state that clearly. I haven't seen at benches for any game at 1100Mhz so I can't comment on that. If 1000Mhz to 1100MHz scales so badly show some proof of runs at those clocks.

Really all you have done is shown that AMD drivers don't play nice with BC2. That may be true, but you can't say the 6970 won't scale to 1100MHz or that it is only useful in CFX at 1600p or above based on one game review at one review site. As on other games, I can provide arguments to the contrary. Also, people play different games... just because you always play BC2 doesn't mean I do as well.

BC2 was just one of many games showed. Other games had similar performance problems at 5760x1080 as well and when they didn't, they did exactly equal or almost as good as the 570s. BC2 tends to be the standard just as BF3 will be in November. Some people may be more into RTS games and won't care though.

The original post was simply stating that 6970s are more equal to 570s than a 580 as someone else claimed in their post. As far as single card comparisons, the 560 did better than the 6970 in BC2, Metro 2033 and MW2. I showed benchmarks showing equal OC comparisons providing that information. I also said that the 6970 would be a better choice even though the 570 does just as good at 2560x1600 and below because it has more framer buffer to crank the AA up.



- You didn't provide benchmarks of 929 to 1017. You provided a comparison from 880 to 1015. If you actually knew about OCing, you would know that bumping the clock from 1100Mhz down to 1000 wouldn't drop fps by an exact 9% as you're trying to claim it being completely linear all the way.
I already stated that I tested my DCII 570s beyond my current 1020Mhz using up to 1.212V and didn't see much of a performance gain and didn't feel comfortable with the high voltage or heat. There is a point at which further OCing will have severe diminishing returns as any good OCer would know. The Sapphire HD's fps won't scale up to 1100Mhz as well as the MSI Lightning for instance since it can handle more current.

4th - There were other games besides just BC2 where the 6000s had serious performance issues at 5760x1080. When they didn't, they didn't do any better than the 570s which seems strange due to their extra 720MB of frame buffer.

I'm not claiming that people only play BC2 and that they only have problems with BC2; I was just pointing out that the 570s are more equal in performance/price than 580s are.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/15/11 at 7:55pm
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