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they are all stock vs stock its completely fair, there are no guarantees in overclocking.

please learn to use more than 1 source ffs
True there's no guarantee for the top 10% of OCs but you know if you get a DCII 570 you can hit 1000 or a 6970 Lightning for instance. You're making the 6970 look bad posting stock clocks. They can do a lot better than 44fps which is unplayable for an FPS so 8xAA at that res is pointless.
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True there's no guarantee for the top 10% of OCs but you know if you get a DCII 570 you can hit 1000 or a 6970 Lightning for instance. You're making the 6970 look bad posting stock clocks. They can do a lot better than 44fps.
if the 6970 looks bad in those charts then the 570 is a cheap joke because its doing pretty terrible in some of those.

And even if you get a DCII 570 or a 6970 lightning there is still no guarantee they will hit those clocks


Edit: and scaling seems fine on the overlocking of the 6970

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/HD_697..._2560_1600.gif

roughly a 9.5% increase in fps for a 6.8% increase in core clock
Edited by Blindsay - 4/13/11 at 7:38pm
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if the 6970 looks bad in those charts then the 570 is a cheap joke because its doing pretty terrible in some of those.

And even if you get a DCII 570 or a 6970 lightning there is still no guarantee they will hit those clocks
If you're on OCN you know what the average OCs are for each card. If you can't hit 1000 with those cards you'll RMA them for a replacement because something is seriously wrong with them.

The 570 may look weak at stock clocks but it OCs extremely well completely changing where it stands. It's far more powerful than a single 6970 but scales horribly making two 570s equal to two 6970s.

As far as the 5760x1080: you can't play a FPS with 44fps so you need to drop down to 4xAA anyways which only gives 60FPS(meaning they're still dropping below 60 quite often) with 6970s @ 940 compared to 85FPS from the 570s @ 940.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/13/11 at 7:45pm
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If you're on OCN you know what the average OCs are for each card. If you can't hit 1000 with those cards you'll RMA them for a replacement because something is seriously wrong with them.

The 570 may look weak at stock clocks but it OCs extremely well completely changing where it stands. It's far more powerful than a single 6970 but scales horribly making two 570s equal to two 6970s.

You can't play a FPS with 44fps so you need to drop down to 4xAA anyways which only gives 60FPS(meaning they're still dropping below 60 quite often) with 6970s @ 940 compared to 85FPS from the 570s @ 940.
so you have to turn down the settings to make the 570 faster, and that is helpful how? dunno about you but i like having a card i dont have to turn down the settings. And your preference may be to not play bad company 2 at that fps but thats your choice, the game is playable.

Also ive posted 3 or 4 difference sources that all support the same conclusion yet you can only produce one, why is that?

And at the res i play at of 5760x1080 the 570's do terrible regardless of how many there are
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so you have to turn down the settings to make the 570 faster, and that is helpful how? dunno about you but i like having a card i dont have to turn down the settings. And your preference may be to not play bad company 2 at that fps but thats your choice, the game is playable.

Also ive posted 3 or 4 difference sources that all support the same conclusion yet you can only produce one, why is that?

And at the res i play at of 5760x1080 the 570's do terrible regardless of how many there are
Um, you've clearly never played an FPS with an average of 44FPS meaning it's frequently well below that. You must not be playing multiplayer or actually take the game serious. You still can't even play with 8xAA with the 6970s so forcing that setting is utterly pointless.

At 5760x1080 it's the exact opposite. The 6000s have some serious scaling issues in half the games and when they don't, they still don't ever perform better than 570s even with the extra 720MB frame buffer.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/13/11 at 7:55pm
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Um, you've clearly never played an FPS with an average of 44FPS meaning it's frequently well below that. You must not be playing multiplayer or actually take the game serious. You still can't even play with 8xAA with the 6970s so forcing that setting is utterly pointless.

At 5760x1080 it's the exact opposite. The 6000s have some serious scaling issues in half the games and when they don't, they still don't ever perform better than 570s even with the extra 720MB frame buffer.
Pretty sure Crysis and BC2 are fps games both of which i play....


And its not opposite at 5760x1080 rofl, seriously? the 6970s walk all over the 570s at that res


The GTX 570 SLI is certainly being held back by its memory capacity at this resolution.

Pretty sure 138fps is playable even by your standards and its beating the 580s even

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...ty-vs-sli.html

pretty sure 68fps is also playable


the 570s do not beat 6970s in triple displays.....

Heck Hardocp's conclusion sums it up pretty well

"The GeForce GTX 570 SLI is in an even worse position, its raw GPU performance is great, and it has good SLI scaling. However, it is severely held back by its memory capacity. We experienced many times that we could not use higher settings, or had to lower the resolution, because of that. The performance is there, but the ability to utilize that performance is not. Since a pair of GeForce GTX 570 video cards will run you $698, the same price as two Radeon HD 6970 video cards, it just isn’t worth it. For the same price as two GTX 570 cards you can get two Radeon HD 6970 video cards with a much higher memory capacity, and better performance. Even a pair of Radeon HD 6950 video cards becomes appealing when you look at its low price of $598 (or $558 after rebate) for two cards, which will save you another $100+ and still provide more memory and a good gameplay experience in AMD Eyefinity."
Edited by Blindsay - 4/13/11 at 8:08pm
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post #67 of 80
You must be blind so I'll try to explain it again.

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Pretty sure Crysis and BC2 are fps games both of which i play....
No one plays actually plays Crysis Warhead anymore. It's become a benchmark tool just like 3DMark, Vantage and Unigine which the 6970 loses dramatically in as well.
BC2, Mafia II, Just Cause 2, Lost Planet 2, Metro 2033, HAWX 2 and AvP are games people actually play.

BC2:



The 6970 even loses to a 560 in single card comparisons... Only in 2-way do they become equal at 1080P and 1600P. 5760x1080 is a completely different story though.

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You've clearly never played a FPS with an average of 44FPS before which means it's frequently dropping well below that. You must not be playing multiplayer or actually taking the game serious. You still can't even play with 8xAA with the 6970s so forcing that setting is completely pointless.



At 4xAA
the 6970s finally become sort of playable yet are still frequently dropping below 60fps making gameplay stuttery which would lead to poor accuracy and higher deaths compared to 85fps which has plenty of headroom available.




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And its not opposite at 5760x1080 rofl, seriously? the 6970s walk all over the 570s at that res
At 5760x1080 it's the exact opposite. The 6000s have some serious scaling issues in half the games and when they don't, they still don't ever perform better than 570s even with the extra 720MB frame buffer:








^ A game where the 720MB less frame buffer finally affects performance yet still only loses by 1fps...


You don't even want me to post the synthetic benchmark results showing even worse scaling...




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the 570s do not beat 6970s in triple displays.....
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...ty-vs-sli.html
Let's take a look at the review you linked to.
A single 6970 losing to a stock 570? No way:



Uh-oh, what's this? Three 6970s equal to 3 570s at stock clocks(lol) from the site you linked to?



2 6970s @ 940 could already get 60FPS with 4xAA so 3 6970s with 8xAA only getting 68fps just goes to show how pointless stock reviews are. They could do much better if they were OCd to 940.

Do you even check the sites you link to before trying to make things up? This is yet another review further showing how the 6970 is weaker individually but due to its awesome scaling equals out to 570s in 2/3-way.

HH's 67FPS proves the 1280MB isn't limiting it in 5760x1080. Nvidia's extremely poor scaling is the only thing holding them back.













Here's another food for thought: when linking to review sites testing 2-way/3-way, most of them are testing with CPU bottlenecks in place by not overclocking to 4.5-5Ghz for the tests. Even this 1100T @ 4.2 with its lower IPC compared to a 2600K still has bottlenecks in most of the games at 3-way:
















If a game is highly threaded, 4Ghz on a 1100T is equal to 4Ghz on a i7 9xx yet go look at the CPU clock speeds used in most of those 3-way reviews and see they're not even at 4Ghz. Most are at stock.

The HH review has a 980X at stock... While 6 cores is nice, most games have at least one thread that if bottlenecked affects the entire gameplay FPS. SC2 is one of the worst offenders of this and BC2 requires 4Ghz at least for its main thread; check task manager to see if any of your cores are at 100% to see it yourself.

Another win for ATI here: Fermi is notorious for requiring higher clock speeds to make use of their cards. 3Ghz just won't cut it.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/13/11 at 10:52pm
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i just lol'd..
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You guys can argue the finer points of the hardware how you like as long as you stay civil about it, but don't go comparing certain members to banned members, you just make yourself look bad.
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I don't understand benchmarks at resolutions that no monitor even outputs at...

Edit: No single, individual monitor.
Edited by bosoxdanc - 4/14/11 at 12:22am
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