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Originally Posted by bosoxdanc View Post
I don't understand benchmarks at resolutions that no monitor even outputs at...

Edit: No single, individual monitor.
Eyefinity and Surround are real technologies that people use. That is why the test was done.

Btw, Poopa's point about the best 570 being faster than the best 6970 is basically true. Though, I still think that benchmark is bunk (bad drivers or PowerTune throttling for 950+MHz... or something ) -- I do think you will need about 1015MHz core for a 6970 to beat a 570 @ 900MHz. Once I put in my new TFIIIs I'll test one of them in 3DMark against my 570 (only does 900MHz) to confirm that point.

Thus, if you take a 570 Direct CUII which will do around 950MHz (wanna see some proof of 1000+MHz on your Direct CUIIs before I believe that Poopa) you would need about 1100MHZ for a single 6970 to match. That is a very very tall order even for a TFIII card.

In CFX the 6970s catch up, like Poopa's been saying. The CFX scaling is one of the big reasons I bought 2 of these cards (that and Vram for 1600p upgrade)
Edited by JCPUser - 4/14/11 at 1:00am
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Lol,this thread is hilarious.Both cards are amazing,providing the 570 is'nt a reference model,lol.Ipersonally prefer the 6970,however due to my next builds colour and design i am going to get a 570gtx phantom by gainward,is one sexy card,will match my build perfectly so will sacrafice that bit of performance.

I dont get the argument,just pick a card you know will play the games you play without drama.Or if you just dont care because there both capable of amazing performance,just buy the cheapest or best looking card.
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
You must be blind so I'll try to explain it again.


No one plays actually plays Crysis Warhead anymore. It's become a benchmark tool just like 3DMark, Vantage and Unigine which the 6970 loses dramatically in as well.
BC2, Mafia II, Just Cause 2, Lost Planet 2, Metro 2033, HAWX 2 and AvP are games people actually play.

BC2:



The 6970 even loses to a 560 in single card comparisons... Only in 2-way do they become equal at 1080P and 1600P. 5760x1080 is a completely different story though.


You've clearly never played a FPS with an average of 44FPS before which means it's frequently dropping well below that. You must not be playing multiplayer or actually taking the game serious. You still can't even play with 8xAA with the 6970s so forcing that setting is completely pointless.



At 4xAA
the 6970s finally become sort of playable yet are still frequently dropping below 60fps making gameplay stuttery which would lead to poor accuracy and higher deaths compared to 85fps which has plenty of headroom available.





At 5760x1080 it's the exact opposite. The 6000s have some serious scaling issues in half the games and when they don't, they still don't ever perform better than 570s even with the extra 720MB frame buffer:








^ A game where the 720MB less frame buffer finally affects performance yet still only loses by 1fps...


You don't even want me to post the synthetic benchmark results showing even worse scaling...





Let's take a look at the review you linked to.
A single 6970 losing to a stock 570? No way:



Uh-oh, what's this? Three 6970s equal to 3 570s at stock clocks(lol) from the site you linked to?



2 6970s @ 940 could already get 60FPS with 4xAA so 3 6970s with 8xAA only getting 68fps just goes to show how pointless stock reviews are. They could do much better if they were OCd to 940.

Do you even check the sites you link to before trying to make things up? This is yet another review further showing how the 6970 is weaker individually but due to its awesome scaling equals out to 570s in 2/3-way.

HH's 67FPS proves the 1280MB isn't limiting it in 5760x1080. Nvidia's extremely poor scaling is the only thing holding them back.













Here's another food for thought: when linking to review sites testing 2-way/3-way, most of them are testing with CPU bottlenecks in place by not overclocking to 4.5-5Ghz for the tests. Even this 1100T @ 4.2 with its lower IPC compared to a 2600K still has bottlenecks in most of the games at 3-way:
















If a game is highly threaded, 4Ghz on a 1100T is equal to 4Ghz on a i7 9xx yet go look at the CPU clock speeds used in most of those 3-way reviews and see they're not even at 4Ghz. Most are at stock.

The HH review has a 980X at stock... While 6 cores is nice, most games have at least one thread that if bottlenecked affects the entire gameplay FPS. SC2 is one of the worst offenders of this and BC2 requires 4Ghz at least for its main thread; check task manager to see if any of your cores are at 100% to see it yourself.

Another win for ATI here: Fermi is notorious for requiring higher clock speeds to make use of their cards. 3Ghz just won't cut it.
Do you know how to link to any site other than overclockers club? that seems to be the only site that supports your claim which is extremely fishy. Anandtech, Hardocp and hardwareheaven all show at worst case (hardwareheave which was pretty much at launch so drivers sucked) them being tied to getting curb stomped at anandtech and hardocp
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Lol,this thread is hilarious.Both cards are amazing,providing the 570 is'nt a reference model,lol.Ipersonally prefer the 6970,however due to my next builds colour and design i am going to get a 570gtx phantom by gainward,is one sexy card,will match my build perfectly so will sacrafice that bit of performance.

I dont get the argument,just pick a card you know will play the games you play without drama.Or if you just dont care because there both capable of amazing performance,just buy the cheapest or best looking card.
Dood, take your common sense and get the fudge out. We OCN don't take kindly to reasonable people. Only fanboys are allowed here.
    
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Do you know how to link to any site other than overclockers club? that seems to be the only site that supports your claim which is extremely fishy. Anandtech, Hardocp and hardwareheaven all show at worst case (hardwareheave which was pretty much at launch so drivers sucked) them being tied to getting curb stomped at anandtech and hardocp
The only site supporting my claim that two 6950s unlocked and OC'd to 950 is a better choice for 1080P and 1600P? There's nothing stopping AMD from fixing their CAP profiles to make 5760x1080 better. They've fixed their scaling issues before.

The only difference between [H]'s review and HH's was 6.91M pixels vs 6.22M pixels. That small difference caused problems for the 570's limited memory at 8xAA and still made both cards unplayable so even if the 6970s average at 44fps and 570s at 31fps, that test was still pointless with too much AA. OCC's 4xAA test showed that the 570s 85fps put out more performance when frame buffer isn't limited at 5760x1080. The 6970s are certainly doing better at 60fps as well.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/14/11 at 7:22am
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The only site supporting my claim that two 6950s unlocked and OC'd to 950 is a better choice for 1080P and 1600P? There's nothing stopping AMD from fixing their CAP profiles to make 5760x1080 better. They've fixed their scaling issues before.

The only difference between [H]'s review and HH's was 6.91M pixels vs 6.22M pixels. That small difference caused problems for the 570's limited memory at 8xAA and still made both cards unplayable so even if the 6970s average at 44fps and 570s at 31fps, that test was still pointless with too much AA. OCC's 4xAA test showed that the 570s 85fps put out more performance when frame buffer isn't limited at 5760x1080. The 6970s are certainly doing better at 60fps as well.
and what about anandtechs 2560x1600 w/4aa review? clearly the 580s are not limited there yet they are losing to 6970s and if the 580s are losing obviously the 570s would be that much worse.

when it comes down to it, if a 570 beats a 6970 in a test its not by much, if the 570 hits its memory cap it crashes and burns horribly and at the same price as Hardocp concluded ill take the 6970.

And the 6970s do just fine at 5760x1080, the fact that you can only back your claim up with only 1 source is pretty weak
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and what about anandtechs 2560x1600 w/4aa review? clearly the 580s are not limited there yet they are losing to 6970s and if the 580s are losing obviously the 570s would be that much worse.

when it comes down to it, if a 570 beats a 6970 in a test its not by much, if the 570 hits its memory cap it crashes and burns horribly and at the same price as Hardocp concluded ill take the 6970.

And the 6970s do just fine at 5760x1080, the fact that you can only back your claim up with only 1 source is pretty weak
Crashes and burns? Now you're just sounding ridiculous. 44fps vs 31fps. Both unplayable and a bad review. When you do a review where even the 6970s start to become semi-playable, the 570s perform much better. If you bought 2 Lightnings and could get them to 1100 though, then they certainly would do much better than only 60fps average.

1 source? Did you even look at HH? 3 6970s doing barely better than 2? OCC's reviews are redone multiple times a week since 2001. They don't use old drivers or ridiculous AA like other so called "proper" stock review sites you seem to cherish so much.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/14/11 at 8:41am
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it crashes and burns horribly
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Crashes and burns?

The only crashing and burning I do is with Penny Benjamin after going ballistic with her.
    
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I just ordered the 6970 Lightning from the Egg, due to a favor being repaid from a friend my cost will be $95.86.

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This friend of yours, does he need more friends?
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This friend of yours, does he need more friends?
LoL, no... I saved him some serious dough, kinda my commision.
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