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Agree with everything but this...



...since wind is a non issue on light. I doubt that it would pose much of an issue even in the coldest of climates. And position always poses an issue, in order to take out the engines in the Demonstration the unit was mounted out and away from the craft in order to direct the beam clearly at the intended target. But that was mounted TO the craft.

Now try it on two different craft. The surface of the water isn't exactly linear. One craft up other craft down, both crafts down water up. Water being the deciding factor and the height of the targeting craft and how she's sitting in the water. Low or high?

As I said it would take an intricate targeting system(such as which Phalanx operates on) in order to place the beam in the right spot.

Fuel cells on an aircraft are another beast entirely. I don't have the background but I do believe that military aircraft have self sealing wing tanks and their lines aren't like your typical automotive fuel line in that they're not super long. The likelihood of a laser burning through the wing, into a shielded fuel cell and causing engine failure is remote since the system is built with redundancy in mind in order to get the pilot safely back home.

Also keep in mind that the Navy is testing this as a deterrent not(though I'm sure they're considering the option) as an actual weapon. Hmmmm maybe Ronnie Ray Gun was onto something with SDI after all.

~Ceadder
We could assume that an onboard laser designator could do the job? I figure if it can track a receiver spot on the ground for an accompanying F-18 to drop payload several miles in the air, why not from one mile away on a boat?

Furthermore, many craft have redundancy, that's true - most famously the A-10. However, most craft are designed to have holes blown out of them, not for the fuel lines and wires to be cauterized/melted. Boiling the hydraulic backups, melting the manual backups, and burning out a fuel line means one wing dead, including fuel load. This is speculative, but then again, so is the laser's use on aircraft!

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lol i agree. as far as i knew werent we in the biggest recession ever? so this is where tax payers money goes. create new weapons to kill people in different ways. nice one
Despite that this program was probably funded and began well before the recession, imagine this scenario:

A Brahmos missile is fired at our aircraft carrier. Despite the odds, it breaks the CBG and Phalanx fails to engage it. It hits the carrier, sinking it with all hands and aircraft on board.

That single carrier would have cost many times, likely, what this program did.

I love the Phalanx system and all its analogues, but it does have its weaknesses. Weaknesses that a laser system addresses.
    
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Furthermore, many craft have redundancy, that's true - most famously the A-10. However, most craft are designed to have holes blown out of them, not for the fuel lines and wires to be cauterized/melted. Boiling the hydraulic backups, melting the manual backups, and burning out a fuel line means one wing dead, including fuel load. This is speculative, but then again, so is the laser's use on aircraft!
They would just keep the beam on target until it's fuel or ordinance was ignited.

The plane would be unlikely to survive more than a short exposure to a more powerful laser like the THEL. And since an A-10 is an order of magnitude larger, and much slower than than the targets the THEL was designed to engage, long exposures would be common.


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^ that seems like a logical use but the video at the source.. it looked like a time lapse where they sat there for like an hour to catch fire to a boat..
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That was, how can I put it, boring?
unlike this.
    
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"5000 year old technology called a "mirror" used as effective counter to multi billion dollar navy ships equipped with lasers beams."
Mirror's cannot stop laser beams when they are attached to the heads of mutant sharks, it is a well known scientific fact. I learned this from a British spy documentary called Austin Powers.
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@Iblis... Apparently you're not familiar with JP fuel. If the laser penetrates the insulation of the fuel cells and lines say buh bye to that Aircraft. The idea is to disable it, not zap it out of the sky like a taking a moth out with a bug light.

Also as I stated, the ocean has complex wave swells. You're more likely to blind a Porpoise than hit and disable your target 1 mile out. Even with the most advanced targeting system Phalanx targets tracks ~1mi out. I've seen those Defensive systems in action off the coast of Puerto Rico when the ship I was stationed on was putting them through their paces. This is an air target being towed behind an A4. What you're not understanding is that while Laser does assist in the targeting of vehicle(air or water) it's largely dependant on Radar. Which is not perfect by any means. Aegis Cruisers have the most sophisticated tracking and Radar systems but to deploy one of those would cost a ton more than it would gain in the process of drug interdiction. That's why they aren't used for such purposes. There is no reason to send a GM Cruiser to do that type of work as that's not their primary focus.

Well anyway the aim of this piece of equipment is to disable not destroy. I'm sure that with enough power added to the system it COULD destroy, but if I can disable you without killing you and could do that any time I wanted, your resolve to fight would lessen a lot.

~Ceadder
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^ that seems like a logical use but the video at the source.. it looked like a time lapse where they sat there for like an hour to catch fire to a boat..
The source video was mostly real-time. Though they did cut back to it after the fire had spread, the laser itself was only used on the boat for a few seconds.

As has been mentioned, it's just a proof of concept. They are demonstrating that they can hit a specific target in rolling seas. Even this early version would have been able to disable a small craft very quickly.
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The source video was mostly real-time. Though they did cut back to it after the fire had spread, the laser itself was only used on the boat for a few seconds.

As has been mentioned, it's just a proof of concept. They are demonstrating that they can hit a specific target in rolling seas. Even this early version would have been able to disable a small craft very quickly.
The laser was attached to the target boat. Of course they could hit in in rolling seas. That would be like me duct taping a Mag Lite to my arm and having an angle iron duct taped to my pit and my head locked in and my eyes held open ala Clockwork Orange in an attempt to blind me. And then someone saying see it can be done.

Of course it can.

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The laser was attached to the target boat.
No, it wasn't, it was a mile away, on a different ship.

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Researchers mounted the Maritime Laser Demonstrator, a solid-state laser, aboard the USS Paul Foster, a decommissioned destroyer. Off the central California coast near San Nicholas Island on Wednesday, the laser fired a 15-kilowatt beam at an inflatable motorboat a mile away as both ships moved through the sea. As the above video shows, there was a flash on the boat’s outboard engines, igniting both of them in seconds, and leaving the ship dead in the choppy waters.
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I hate how they praise this as awesome. More destruction power and they get congratulated? Really sad.
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