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post #1 of 17
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Hey guys I am currently in a bit of a dilema.
I have just sold my GTX 295 Quad Setup for 720$ and wanted to get the maximum gpu power for that money.

Needless to say I am getting 2 x 6950 2GB in CF.
I have gathered a lot of information and this is what I need:

1.)The card should be able to have the Shaders unlocked
For better understanding:
Type 1 unlock:Shader unlock to 1536 units+stock 6970 clocks
Type 2 unlock:Full 6970 BIOS flash

2.)Since I do not intend of watercooling I want the card to be cool therefor a non reference cooler is prefered.

3.)I want to max overclock the card ...so I am looking for the manufacturer which features the card with the best overclocking ability

4.)Since I want the card to have a great cooler I need it to have a Voltage Tuner

5.)The two cards need to fit my 2x 16x PCI slots on my GA EX58 UD5

6.)Features like warranty , adapters/cables etc would be nice
Alright these are my requirements.
Since my requirements will only be met with the latest non reference designs I believe that is what I came up with so far(feel free to add if I missed one )


1.)MSI Twin Frozr III:

a.)-- does most likely not unlock both Type 1 and Type 2
b.)+ great overclocking capability
c.)+ voltage tuner
d.)+ great cooler

2.)ASUS EAH6950 DCII:

a.)---does not unlock due to missing BIOS switch
b.)+ great overclocking capability
c.)+ voltage tuner
d.)- not the best cooler even due to non ref

3.)Power Color 6950 PCS++:

a.)++ guaranteed Type 1 unlock since factory BIOS flash,No Type 2 unlock
b.)- not the best overclocking ability
c.)+ no voltage tuner
d.)- worst cooler compared to the others
-
Please feel free to correct and add your oppinions.
I really want to have the card with the best cooling performance,overclocking and unlock ability.
I am afraid though, that there is no manufacturer that completely satisfies my needs.
Hope you can help!
Thx in advance
Edited by Kung Pow - 4/8/11 at 2:09pm
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post #2 of 17
I would suggest the TF3 as its only a 2 slot design and at least one review site got theirs to unlock. On a side note, where did you sell your gtx 295s for $360 each?
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Go with the Twin Frorz III since it can be unlocked and it has non-ref cooler. U can't unlock the Asus DC-II because it doesn't have the bios switch. Twin Frorz III is probably the best 6950 out there.
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I would get the PCS. Those are great cards and honestly I don't think the cooling is that bad.

EDIT: nvm, thought you were talking about twin frozr 2. Get the twin frozr 3.
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post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by the.FBI View Post
I would suggest the TF3 as its only a 2 slot design and at least one review site got theirs to unlock. On a side note, where did you sell your gtx 295s for $360 each?
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=672911
Like I mentioned in my first post unfortunetly the Twin Frozr III is generally not intended to be Shader unlocked.
With the Twin Frozr III it is rather a gamble of wheter or not it will unlock,due to its BIOS switch most people believe it is but sadly no ,actually if the card can be unlocked or not is decided by the fact if it was laser cut or not to make it impossible for software to unlock it ....so it has to do with luck.
That is why MSI is advertising it with the great voltage tuning and overclocking capability because AMD does not want people to unlock and is trying to pursuiate them to rather overclock since it would cause less RMA according to them.

The Twin Frozr III would meet all my needs perfectly if it was guaranteed to unlock
Some people get lucky and have a unlasercut card like TechPower up but the chance that it won´t unlock is still possible.

That is why I hoped you could suggest other 6950´s that could meet my needs completely.

I sold my GTX 295´s to a noob^^ I kinda felt bad that he was willing to pay that much but I gave him a free SLI bridge + cable ties + adapters which calmed my conscience
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=672911
Like I mentioned in my first post unfortunetly the Twin Frozr III is generally not intended to be Shader unlocked.
With the Twin Frozr III it is rather a gamble of wheter or not it will unlock,due to its BIOS switch most people believe it is but sadly no ,actually if the card can be unlocked or not is decided by the fact if it was laser cut or not to make it impossible for software to unlock it ....so it has to do with luck.
That is why MSI is advertising it with the great voltage tuning and overclocking capability because AMD does not want people to unlock and is trying to pursuiate them to rather overclock since it would cause less RMA according to them.

The Twin Frozr III would meet all my needs perfectly if it was guaranteed to unlock
Some people get lucky and have a unlasercut card like TechPower up but the chance that it won´t unlock is still possible.

That is why I hoped you could suggest other 6950´s that could meet my needs completely.

I sold my GTX 295´s to a noob^^ I kinda felt bad that he was willing to pay that much but I gave him a free SLI bridge + cable ties + adapters which calmed my conscience
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It unlocks, ask anyone here.
    
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I just bought the Gigabyte 2GB 6950 no problems,

Shader unlock, voltage control unlock, and core clock unlock-uncaps core speed past 840.

Right now it's OC'd at 900/1375 at stock 6950 voltage.

Very Happy with overclocking as well i got 970/1500 at 1.120 voltage.
(stock voltage 1.100)

Gigabyte = quality and warranty

Anything that may not unlock, forget it!

This one here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125356
Edited by Casey Ryback - 4/8/11 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by Casey Ryback View Post
I just bought the Gigabyte 2GB 6950 no problems,

Shader unlock, voltage control unlock, and core clock unlock-uncaps core speed past 840.

Right now it's OC'd at 900/1375 at stock 6950 voltage.

Very Happy with overclocking as well i got 970/1500 at 1.120 voltage.
(stock voltage 1.100)

Gigabyte = quality and warranty

Anything that may not unlock, forget it!

This one here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125356
Aha?
I did not know a voltage unlock and core clock unlock had to be done too??
Actually I have heard this the first time.
I am not sure but the Twin Frorz III has a individually designed Voltage controller by MSI which should prove to be superior over the other manufacturers 6950 voltage settings and do not require a voltage unlock.

As in terms of the core clock unlock ...I am sure unlike the Shader unlock this should work with any 6950 ref or non ref ...because of its minor impact in my oppinion.

What do you think?
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post #10 of 17
Yeah the core speed unlock and the voltage control unlock should work with most models,

although someone at this very moment has a thread going where their powerolor can't adjust voltages, so don't be so sure.

I would stick with gigabyte or Asus.

Not a fan of MSI as a whole and not a fan of the twin frozer 2.
wouldn't you be able to afford a 6970 for the price of a frozer 3 anyway?

The shader unlock adds performance no doubt, that along with a safe OC saw me go from being on par with my mates 5870, to beating it comfortably.
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