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Originally Posted by i_hax View Post
Well it is apparent you don't.

EDIT to include your most recent post: Or the meaning of duopoly, two is not enough...

Why bother keeping customers happy if you're the only option? They can't go without internet, and they can't choose another provider... at this point the ISP is in control. They have nothing to lose and money to reap for shareholders.
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
If all ISP's do the same thing. Then noone'd be left with a choice with whom to go with, it becomes a situation that you'd either have Internet or no internet.

The latter is NOT an option anymore, in this day and age.
Then maybe one day this will result in two types of ISPs:
  • The kind who provide internet access that's identical to the type of cable TV access we have right now (like in that image I posted earlier).
  • Underground, or "private" (or perhaps "Pirate") ISPs who still provide unlimited access for a flat rate

I doubt it because if you do only have one option, then you can just get internet access on your mobile device.
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I have a Time Warner "up to 15 MBPS" dealy. I speedtested it last night with a max download rate of 1.2mbps. This wasnt at a peak hour when everyone was on either, it was 1:00am. The best part is, they have a monopoly here so unless I want to do something illegal I'm stuck with these idiots.
I have the same service from Time Warner in Southern California and have never had my download that low, thats about my max upload. My average speed is between 18-25 mbps, maybe an issue with your setup somewhere. Here is a speed test I took at the time of posting...

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Is that constant? They probably have some stupid net boost like Rogers in Canada. Short test and short downloads hit 20, but the average is 10 on larger files.
I have the same service and yes it's constant.
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post #74 of 89
Inb4lock because too political.

Government and corporations can become equally bad. One is not necessarily worse or better than the other.
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You are very delusional if you actually think that. Corporations will do anything they want given the chance.
I agree. Someone needs to go read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair before thinking companies are out to help us.
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
If it weren't for the ISPs, then we wouldn't have internet access.

The government doesn't provide me internet access.

The FCC certainly doesn't.

So who does? Internet Service Providers.

Who made it possible for the internet to work? Who laid down all those cables and fiber optics?
The Government regulates the public roads you drive on.
The Government regulates your public education.
The Government regulates what drugs can be sold on the market.
The Government regulates food standards.

Is the Government perfect? No. Is the Government out to make a profit? No.

Regulating how an ISP regulates traffic is not the Gov't taking total control of the internet. The NN bill, as I understand it, would make it punishable for ISP's to charge for tiered service or to discriminate on traffic, things the ISP's already do [SEE: http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-thro...ng-impossible/ ].

So, no, this isn't us jumping up and down at a hypothetical situation. This has already started happening.
post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
I doubt it because if you do only have one option, then you can just get internet access on your mobile device.
It nearly happened here in Canada.

Bell attempted to raises rates and introduce usage-based-billing. Rogers followed right along "rates will increase". The only reason I am not currently limited to 30GB a month (at the same cost of my current 300GB) is because a political party overturned the ruling and disallowed it...

...and good luck with mobile service. It'll happen there too.
    
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post #77 of 89
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Once our open and free internet is out of the market’s hands and protected in the hands of government officials, there’s all sorts of other things our government can protect us from. To quote from a new Washington Post article:

"Venezuela President Hugo Chavez’s congressional allies are considering extending the ‘Social Responsibility Law’ for broadcast media to the Internet, banning messages that ‘disrespect public authorities,’ ‘incite or promote hatred’ or crimes, or are aimed at creating ‘anxiety’ in the population."

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Although, have you heard of that famous "internet kill switch"?


Yeah, I don't trust the government to be regulating the internet. It'll end up being the way we don't want it to be.
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post #78 of 89
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"What we need to understand is that while ISPs aren’t currently regulated by the government, they are already severely regulated. Not by government. They are regulated by YOU. You are their customer. You are the boss. You hold the checkbook. ISP companies are regulated by profits. That’s right, profit is the regulator. Like every company that is in business for profit, they have to answer to their customers. All successful businesses are constantly sniffing; trying to figure out what customers want. Profit makes them care about you. Customers will only voluntarily hand over money if it’s worth it. Right now we have de-facto Net Neutrality, because that’s what you want. That’s what we all want. We have to understand that the Internet has evolved by virtue of the decisions of billions of users and content creators. If you are on Facebook, you are a content creator. ISPs have responded to our needs and continually invest tremendous money and resources to provide better options. They ARE answerable to you, and thus they ARE highly regulated by you."
Dude, let me preface what I'm about to say by stating that I respect and value so many of your posts here on OCN. However, your situation only makes sense if you assume a fair market. A fair market that is nonexistent in our current society. I don't believe some of the "facts" that the article you referenced says. Specifically in relation to the available ISP offerings in an area. I live in the bay area of california, and I can confirm that we have two choices. The local cable company for cable internet, and AT&T for DSL. That's it. When you then factor in to the equation that ISP's are double-charging customers (first, a fee for the level of connection speed, and then another fee for amount of data used beyond a specified level), it's an unfair situation that SOMEONE with authority needs to step in and fix. The internet is quickly becoming less and less of a luxury, and more and more of a utility. Our lives almost revolve around access to the net. Trusting private corporations with no regulation (I laugh at the statement that consumers are the regulators, because when you have no other realistic choice for broadband connection, you have no power) is just inviting them to charge customers more and more. Sure, the corporations invested "billions" of dollars into an infrastructure. But guess what? They've recouped that by at least an order of magnitude. Our water, gas, and electricity utilities started out in very similar positions, and they're relatively well regulated, guaranteeing universal access and fair prices. We have neither with the current way things are set up.
    
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I'd rather trust ISPs than either the Government or the FCC.

I choose the lesser of the three evils, thankyouverymuch.
You simple simple man. There's no difference between your ISP your government and your FCC.

Your ISP was funded by the banks who want to extract as much money as they possibly can from you.
All your cable internet providers are TV and movie content spitters first and foremost.
All your telephone companies have departement of homeland security shoved so far up their butt that they think they can treat customers any way they want to because they got a big rapid dog on a leash behind them that makes a boat load of work for them. They "pay" for the trouble they cause by saying it's OK for them to bill crap, fake bill, overbill, play with due dates to generate late fees. Do whatever they want to do.
Until everyone who runs the internet is dead or forcibly broke by having their debt model economics system destroyed, it's going to degenerate into corporate world crap fest where you end up paying almost nothing to visit the "chosen" areas and end up paying 150 bucks a month to have access to anything outside of google, yahoo, facebook, amazon, etc etc.
Monopolists like to generate a huge imbalance and then compete head to head based on that imbalance.

BTW the goverment will likely shut down next week as the stock market crashes and to avoid paying tax refunds. They spent 1 trillion dollars in march. And when the non existant tax receipts roll in april 15th the final accounting will end up with an IRS that collects but never pays.
The dollar is at 74 right now on the DXY and it has no support and is outside of historical operating paramters. Which means it won't pay any debts or act as clearing house between countries. HARD ASSETS will be demanded.
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Then maybe one day this will result in two types of ISPs:
  • The kind who provide internet access that's identical to the type of cable TV access we have right now (like in that image I posted earlier).
  • Underground, or "private" (or perhaps "Pirate") ISPs who still provide unlimited access for a flat rate

I doubt it because if you do only have one option, then you can just get internet access on your mobile device.
I guess you havent experienced your ISP blocking or throttling data flow from another ISP.
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