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Toxicadam you are correct, what kind of gains were you expecting?
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Hey guys just a little update on the SLI side of things. As you know, right now my second card is out of my system and pretty much ready to be added to my watercooling loop.

This is my Apogee GT CPU block to a GPU block. Here is what I got so far:
















As you can see it's coming along quite nicely, only thing left is to add the fan (still thinking about how to do that) I just hope this works, it actually longer than expected but my dremel tool was very handy

If you look at how I did my first card, I attached two 40mm fans, I actually took them off and attached a single 80mm fan. I bought 2 80mm Zalaman F1 fans that are pretty good and considering the case I have it will be tough adding the second fan on the second card and have room for my pump. I guess time will tell, hopefully I should add my second card tonight.


By the way I know it looks ugly as hell, but actually because im using the second slot on my mobo you can't really tell.
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I will commence SLI testing in the next couple of days, I've got my second card in and if you wana see how it did temp wise then click on the mod link in my sig.


Just a warning the CPU block does better than the MCW60 that I have .


I'm going to tweak my overclocks and such and then I will continue with this thread soon
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Hey guys this is my first attempt at SLI so forgive me if these tests are not 100%, however, I have done a bit of reading and therefore based my testing from that. I understand that SLI scaling and GPU Usuage is very important so therefore I have tried my best to cover that.

I have also found that doing the single and SLI testing seperately is much more time consuming, so I have decided that from now on both single and SLI testing can be done under one test. I will however be using my old single card results to determine a few things.

As far as im aware SLI scaling is quite dependant on usuage and vice versa, so I have taken ss of afterburner to help see the the actual usage. I understand that there problems with drivers, from downclocking and staying in 2d or just scaling issues but I hope that these results can help

Anyways enough talking lets see how it went.

The 266.58, which was the early release of 2011 and the 270.51 (beta) which was imho the best driver for a single card will be tested.


Metro Benchmark tool - DX11 - 1920x1080 - Tesselation (enabled) - Very High - AAA - AF16x - No Physx or DOF GPU at 870/1740/2050


SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)




SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)






Now if we take a look at the difference between the drivers in this instance we can see that the 266.58 scales better than the 270.51. As you can see from the screenshots the 270.51 actually performs better when running a single card. The boost in performance comes in when the scaling is increased by 27% with the 266.58. The screenshots also show that during these benchmarks the GPU usage in single card mode is always going to be better than SLI. Both drivers under single card mode showed GPU usage above 95% most of the time, however the 266.58 did go as low as 50% for a split second (could be an anomaly). Unders SLI we can see a lot more activity in the usage graph, however both drivers showed similar pattern of usage. I would say that the 266.58 actually does slightly better than the 270.51, not only the fps increased by 2 but it still showed similar gpu suage and was able to maintain the core clock speeds.
The winner here is the 266.58



Now to Crysis GPU @ 870/1740/2050

Single card results taken from previous testing.


SLI TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)






Again we can see that the 270.51 does better in Single card mode rather than in SLI. The 266.58 performs better in SLI than in single card mode, a small increase in fps and a minor 2% more scaling than the other driver. Again with both drivers, the GPU usage pattern was very similar, it indicated on average a 95% usage with both gpu's. Again core clock remaind the same. A small performance ioncrease is still an increase
The winner again goes to the 266.58



Now Crysis Warhead GPU @ 870/1740/2050

Single card results taken from previous testing.


SLI TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)






Well in this one, there really isn't anything to tell between the drivers. Both performed the same under SLI and GPU usage patters where pretty much the same, however the with the actual fps between the drivers, the 266.58 did slightly edge forward in that department. There aint no clear winner but for me it's still the 266.58



Lets take a look at Heaven Benchmark tool 2.1 GPU @ 870/1740/2050

Some data was taken from previous testing.


SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)






I have tried to gather as much info as possible with heaven benchmark. In all instances the 270.51 outperformed the 266.58. A difference of 8% scaling between the two which determined the fps and the overall score. If we look closely at the GPU usage (sorry for lack of detail in regards to monitoring the usage) we can see that on average the gpu usage is higher on the 270.51.
The 270.51 is the clear winner on this one because of better scaling and higher gpu usage.



Finally lets take a look at vantage GPU @ 870/1740/2050


SLI TEST - Nvidia 266.58 (WHQL)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 270.51 (beta)






Now these results are very interesting, the 270.51 maintained top spot in vantage under single card mode, however, under SLI the 266.58 triumphs. Between the two drivers there is not much difference but from time to time these differences stand out more than other's. We saw in the heaven benchmark the 270.51 doing very well in comparison to the 266.58 but it was the only one, all others the 266.8 did slightly better.

One thing I would really like to point out is that some of these benchmarks are in DX10 and DX11, under dx10 (crysis and warhead) the 266.58 did better, under dx11 (Metro 2033, heaven and 3dmark Vantage) the 266.58 got the majority. Both maintained there clock speed of 870core and the GPU usage was very similar.


Overall I would say the 266.58 is the one to choose over the 270.51 if your running SLI, if not then the 270.51 is still top.


Hope you enjoyed the read and hope it has helped, I will be doing more SLI testing in the near future with the other drivers
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the testing being consolidated I think is fine after all you have done more than your fare share of testing to make a good judgement call on the simulated difference between single and SLI
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one thing I want to point out, I have noticed that benchmarks are great and can help in making adjustments, but as far with my system (mind you not all will get the same results) Heaven 2.1 seems to be the best to tell on how well the OC or drivers are going to preform in real life gaming. I just thought I would put my two cents in on what I believe to be the best (other than if the game has its on benchmark) to tell if your FPS will be better or worse in game.

I really love () reading these results as they always bring up things that I would never think of as far as GPU usage and scaling and the technical () stuff that this newbie can't do on his own, Thank you as always and keep up the great work
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one thing I want to point out, I have noticed that benchmarks are great and can help in making adjustments, but as far with my system (mind you not all will get the same results) Heaven 2.1 seems to be the best to tell on how well the OC or drivers are going to preform in real life gaming. I just thought I would put my two cents in on what I believe to be the best (other than if the game has its on benchmark) to tell if your FPS will be better or worse in game.

I really love () reading these results as they always bring up things that I would never think of as far as GPU usage and scaling and the technical () stuff that this newbie can't do on his own, Thank you as always and keep up the great work
thanks bro your words are appreciated and motivate me to carry on +rep
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Hey guys just recently Nvidia released the 275.27 which you can find HERE with a change log.

Going through the thread I found quite a few positive reactions, so I thought it maybe it's worthy of a review. Just a recap from my previous testing, SLI vs Single, the 270.51 (beta) and the 266.58 (whql) did very well. The 270.51 remained worthy of top spot for single card mode, however, the 266.58 did slighty better in SLI over the 270.51.

As far as im aware SLI scaling is quite dependant on usage and vice versa, so I have taken ss of afterburner to help see the the actual gpu usage. I understand that there problems with drivers, from downclocking and staying in 2d or just scaling issues but I hope that these results can help

So would great to see how the new 275.27 beta driver does against the 266.58 (whql).

here we go

Metro Benchmark tool - DX11 - 1920x1080 - Tesselation (enabled) - Very High - AAA - AF16x - No Physx or DOF GPU at 870/1740/2050


SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)






In a DirectX11 game we can clearly see that the 275.27 has mixed results in both single and sli mode. In single mode it outperforms both the other drivers by minimal factor, however, in SLI it actually performs in between the two drivers. Now we may look at the scaling and think that is terrible in terms of the other drivers, however, the difference's are there because of the min and max fps. That basically means that scaling from single to SLI might not be up there, but because of the minmum fps and maximum fps provide a good average fps scaling in this instance is not as important.
To conclude this part, for single card mode winner is 275.27, for SLI the winner is still 266.58.



Now to Crysis GPU @ 870/1740/2050

SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)






Now so far through all the testing we have not yet come up a problem, which is good to see however it does seem that there will be no 'major' improvments between these drivers apart from newer games but it is still nice to see how it impacts on older games. Anyways the beta drive hasn't shown any improvments here really, the GPU usage pattern remained very similar to the other drivers, it indicated on average a 95% usage with both gpu's. Again core clock remained the same. In terms of performance, under single mode, it did slightly better than the 266.58 but remained just below the 270.51 driver. In SLI it did the oposite, did better than the 270.51 but stayed below the 266.58 as did the scaling.
To conclude this part, for single card mode winner is 270.51, for SLI the winner is still 266.58.


Now Crysis Warhead GPU @ 870/1740/2050

SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)






Here we can see that the beta driver did worse than both 271.51 and 266.58 in single card and SLI. GPU usage and scaling remained very similar, however the small decrease in performance in both SLI and single can be seen. I'm afraid not much to say about this one.
There aint no clear winner but for me it's still the 266.58

Lets try a couple directx 11 programmes

Lets take a look at Heaven Benchmark tool 2.1 GPU @ 870/1740/2050

SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)






I'v tried to gather as much info as possible with heaven benchmark, It does seem to look as though the the new beta driver is starting to shine. 10% scaling increase from the 266.58 which showed an increase of 4fps on average in SLI and 1fps increase in single. The difference between the 270.51 and 275.27 in GPU usage was negligible, however it did account for the score increase and sclaing.
To conclude this part, for single card, in terms of average fps is both 270.51 and 275.27, scorewise it is the 266.58, for SLI the winner is the new 275.27 for the scaling increase, average fps and final score



Finally lets take a look at vantage GPU @ 870/1740/2050

SINGLE CARD TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)



SLI TEST - Nvidia 275.27 (BETA)






Now these results are very interesting, the 270.51 maintained top spot in vantage under single card mode, however, under SLI the 266.58 triumphed.
The 275.27 beta compared to the other has actually done pretty well. In SLI it did slighlty better overall than the 270.51 but still remained below the 266.58 in terms of scores. In some situations it scaled better but overall I would say the 266.58 still remins top in terms of SLI mode.

We saw in the heaven benchmark the 270.51 doing very well in comparison to the 266.58 but the new driver did in fact beat the 266.58 by a small margin.

To conlcude, this driver did show it's fair bit of performance increase in some situations, however, majority of the time in SLI the 266.58 did better. In single card mode the 270.51 remains top overall.

One thing I would really like to point out is that some of these benchmarks are in DX10 and DX11, under dx10 (crysis and warhead) the 266.58 still did better, under dx11 (Metro 2033, heaven and 3dmark Vantage) the 266.58 got the majority vote except Heaven benchmark.

My vote is still on the 266.58 overall


Hope you enjoy the review feedback is appreciated

Apologies for any typos, my keyboard has been acting funny lately, might need to replace the batteries.
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Thanks man, great review and I reached the same conclusions - I rolled back to 266 again.
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Thank you I mite try those out! as I have said my games and heaven 2.1 are very similar, I don't why that is, but on my system I have always (and mind you I have the same benches) needed to go by that score and it worked for all my games. Why do you think that is? Are Intel and AMD that different? I just can't seem to wrap around this but I have been able to do well as you post by going of all your scores, kinda making my own graph on yours and mine results and finding the middle some how lmao
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