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Would rather buy a Xonar DX at that price.
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80 for any Creative sound card other than the Titanium HD is a terrible deal. The Asus and Auzentech sound cards in that price range have much better sound quality.

Btw, for a SEPARATE sub, to only hit as low as 38 Hz after it is in the box, is pretty bad. Especially for a 2.1 system, at that price.
I have to admit that the frequency response is the first thing I looked at because I always want to see how low the sub can go. My little Altec Lansing VS4121s can go as low as 25Hz, and it definitely sounds like it (the sub is freakin' thunderous). So when I saw "38Hz", I kinda cringed. However, I figured that these speakers must make up for it somehow.

I guess that's just wishful thinking.

Anyway, I have the XtremeGamer and I tried the Xonar D1 but I had nothing but problems with it. Some suggested that it was my motherboard; at the time it was an EVGA 680i SLI. So when I got the EP45-UD3P, I tried it again but it was the same problem. The problem was that no matter what changes I made in the Audio Center, the audio output always remained unchanged.

The sound card functioned, but it's like the driver wasn't able to make any changes no matter what settings I used.

Now the XtremeGamer is quite different: I put it in, install the driver, reboot, make my changes, and it's audio bliss for me.
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I have to admit that the frequency response is the first thing I looked at because I always want to see how low the sub can go. My little Altec Lansing VS4121s can go as low as 25Hz, and it definitely sounds like it (the sub is freakin' thunderous). So when I saw "38Hz", I kinda cringed. However, I figured that these speakers must make up for it somehow...

I guess that's just wishful thinking.

Anyway, I have the XtremeGamer and I tried the Xonar D1 but I had nothing but problems with it. Some suggested that it was my motherboard; at the time it was an EVGA 680i SLI. So when I got the EP45-UD3P, I tried it again but it was the same problem. The problem was that no matter what changes I made in the Audio Center, the audio output always remained unchanged.

The sound card functioned, but it's like the driver wasn't able to make any changes no matter what settings I used.

Now the XtremeGamer is quite different: I put it in, install the driver, reboot, make my changes, and it's audio bliss for me.
I guess both cards have their driver problems, but from my reading it seems that Creative sound cards are more well known for their driver problems. For my personal experience, the moment I physically installed my Asus DX, Windows installed the drivers, and there have been no problems whatsoever.
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So.. If i purchased the Sound Blaster Xfi Titanium for 108.99

I should return it to bestbuy and order online which one

Asus Xonar D1 or DX or WHAT Is the best for 80-120$ range as i am planning on purchasing Swans or some nice 2.1 speakers.
    
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So.. If i purchased the Sound Blaster Xfi Titanium for 108.99 Amazon.com: Creative Labs SB0880 PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Sound Card: Electronics
I should return it to bestbuy and order online which one

Asus Xonar D1 or DX or WHAT Is the best for 80-120$ range as i am planning on purchasing Swans or some nice 2.1 speakers.
Well there are always plenty of deals on the Asus D1 or DX. The D1 is the PCI version of the DX. Also the DX needs a floppy power connector, but other than that they are exactly the same.

Here is the Asus D1, With a 20 dollar rebate. Comes out to 70 dollars.

The DX is temporarily out of stock but it is the same deal. In that price range, you can't go wrong with either card. Kinda depends what slots are open on your mobo.
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I guess both cards have their driver problems, but from my reading it seems that Creative sound cards are more well known for their driver problems. For my personal experience, the moment I physically installed my Asus DX, Windows installed the drivers, and there have been no problems whatsoever.
The Graphic EQ in Windows Media Player made a difference, but that's different: I needed to make changes to the graphic EQ in the driver itself which didn't make any changes whatsoever (while playing music, I raised all the frequencies all the way up in the driver, and then lowered them all the way down, and the audio remained unchanged).

So if I didn't need to make any changes in the Audio Center, then I probably would have been fine with the card.


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So.. If i purchased the Sound Blaster Xfi Titanium for 108.99 Amazon.com: Creative Labs SB0880 PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Sound Card: Electronics
I should return it to bestbuy and order online which one

Asus Xonar D1 or DX or WHAT Is the best for 80-120$ range as i am planning on purchasing Swans or some nice 2.1 speakers.
$108.99 is a rip-off for that card. Try to stop buying computer parts from Best Buy unless you can rip them off by taking advantage of an insane deal. :/
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The Graphic EQ in Windows Media Player made a difference, but that's different: I needed to make changes to the graphic EQ in the driver itself which didn't make any changes whatsoever (while playing music, I raised all the frequencies all the way up in the driver, and then lowered them all the way down, and the audio remained unchanged).

So if I didn't need to make any changes in the Audio Center, then I probably would have been fine with the card. I kinda miss that very quiet little click during my system's POST; it kinda makes it sound like a powerful piece of hardware.
Like I said, since I installed my Asus DX, I have not had any problems whatsoever. My EQ has worked fine as well. Must be different experiences dependent on different rigs. Most people told me to go Asus because of the fact that Creative sound cards had many driver problems with Windows 7.
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So.. If i purchased the Sound Blaster Xfi Titanium for 108.99 Amazon.com: Creative Labs SB0880 PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Sound Card: Electronics
I should return it to bestbuy and order online which one

Asus Xonar D1 or DX or WHAT Is the best for 80-120$ range as i am planning on purchasing Swans or some nice 2.1 speakers.
imo, the Xtreme Gamer--->Titanium Fatal1ty mostly all sound the same. Main difference being the Titaniums have like 64MB of x-ram or something. Kinda sad since like 3 games make use of the x-ram.

Creative puts out such crappy products, it's sad. The Titanium HD on the other hand is a decent card.

Xonar D1/DX are same card, different interface. DS is 50 and has the same processor as the DX, but lacks Dolby Digital. Something to consider if you don't want Dolby Digital.
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I have to admit that the frequency response is the first thing I looked at because I always want to see how low the sub can go. My little Altec Lansing VS4121s can go as low as 25Hz, and it definitely sounds like it (the sub is freakin' thunderous). So when I saw "38Hz", I kinda cringed. However, I figured that these speakers must make up for it somehow.

I guess that's just wishful thinking.

Anyway, I have the XtremeGamer and I tried the Xonar D1 but I had nothing but problems with it. Some suggested that it was my motherboard; at the time it was an EVGA 680i SLI. So when I got the EP45-UD3P, I tried it again but it was the same problem. The problem was that no matter what changes I made in the Audio Center, the audio output always remained unchanged.

The sound card functioned, but it's like the driver wasn't able to make any changes no matter what settings I used.

Now the XtremeGamer is quite different: I put it in, install the driver, reboot, make my changes, and it's audio bliss for me.
You do know that most speaker manufacture (mainly computer speakers) put up inaccurate frequency response. Any subwoofer can hit 20 hz, is it linear, audible, or without massive distortion?

No offense but the Altec Lansing VS4121s look like crap speakers. I am 90% sure that the M50W can hit harder that the Altec Lansing subwoofer.

OP: If you got the money, go for M50W and a Xonar DX/D1. No need for other kind of sound card, no Creative.
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You do know that most speaker manufacture (mainly computer speakers) put up inaccurate frequency response. Any subwoofer can hit 20 hz, is it linear, audible, or without massive distortion?

No offense but the Altec Lansing VS4121s look like crap speakers. I am 90% sure that the M50W can hit harder that the Altec Lansing subwoofer.

OP: If you got the money, go for M50W and a Xonar DX/D1. No need for other kind of sound card, no Creative.
I have zero distortion with these speakers for all of my uses.

When I had the Audigy 2 ZS, these speakers sounded boomy. However, I didn't know any better so I thought it was the speakers. After all, they're not exactly "good" speakers.

When I upgraded to the XtremeGamer, it was an entirely different ball game: I no longer had any boominess whatsoever and no more distortion; the low end finally sounded like a high-end home theater system or something. It blows me away nearly every single day. The low end finally sounds like it should: deep, strong, thunderous, clean, powerful, etc. I couldn't get that with the Audigy 2 ZS.

I sometimes watch certain movies just to hear this extra deep low end. Or I'll sometimes load a certain level in Mirror's Edge where they had some extremely deep, sweeping low end during a cut scene. It's very enjoyable.

This little system that doesn't look like much on paper impresses me every day (meaning, my speakers and my sound card together).

Sure, I don't have as much output power as I would honestly like. However, I have fortunately never needed it. With my needs, I have loads of headroom at all times.

Best of all, I feel like my money has been well-spent. I can't afford anything better, and I'll never be able to. For example, I'd never be able to buy the Swans he's looking at. Hell, I wouldn't even be able to afford the M-AUDIO AV40s (nor do I have enough physical space for them - I seriously don't).

So while I know how my system compares, I can't do anything about it.
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