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I have a router that is connected to the other router via a cable. Is it worth it to convince my parents to switch over to the wireless one by itself?. I do some torrenting and gaming. a friend told me that it impacts performance quite a lot. I thought I would ask the OCN community for input before I carry out my plan.

PS: is that why I sometimes disconnect when I play Bad Company 2?
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Just hush up, don't tell them a thing, and go to the router config menu on the one that isn't connected to the DSL line, and set it to turn off DHCP entirely. You need it on the main router, not on the secondary (except in advanced configs anyway). Setting the secondary router to pretend like it's a dumb switch is usually the best option, it improves data transmission speed.
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Just hush up, don't tell them a thing, and go to the router config menu on the one that isn't connected to the DSL line, and set it to turn off DHCP entirely. You need it on the main router, not on the secondary (except in advanced configs anyway). Setting the secondary router to pretend like it's a dumb switch is usually the best option, it improves data transmission speed.
So you're saying that it does impact performance? My parents are usually cool with these kinds of stuff, I just want some solid evidence because I don't want to dive under the desk and bash my head for no apparent reason.
Laziness for the win.
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Although it may or may not impact performance you won't have problems with games and other things that need ports open. Right now your probably needing to open ports in two routers either that or certain programs aren't working right, etc. If your wireless router has enough ethernet ports to handle everything then just use one. If you need more ethernet ports you can use the wired router as a switch like allikat suggested.
Edited by mbp - 4/8/11 at 11:30pm
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I tried to run it with the secondary router as the primary and it refused to work. Something weird happened. I tried resetting but no cigar. No connection whatsoever. I can connect to the router fine tho. Just not the internet.
I'm not buy trendnet again...

Edit: changed back and all good again
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Are you sure that they are both routers? Can you provide the model numbers of the equipment your using?
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WHy not just test it, do some CMD ping commands with your current config, then switch off the second and connect to the wireless router and do more CMD ping commands.

I think you will find that the hard connected router to router setup is faster and less laggy for gaming.

Also maybe try and do some Port fowarding could help you alot with games, and possably disable the firewall on the second router
 
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What's your current topology?
ex> DSL modem router -> Router 2's wan port -> random PC's ?
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ust hush up, don't tell them a thing, and go to the router config menu on the one that isn't connected to the DSL line, and set it to turn off DHCP entirely.
That's really not going to do crap other than 'break your internet' once your DHCP lease runs out. From what it sounds like they are doing double NAT, therefore DHCP requests from the border router will not reach into the network behind the second router.
Edited by beers - 4/9/11 at 12:38am
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Are you sure that they are both routers? Can you provide the model numbers of the equipment your using?
I'm using a trendnet tew-639GR connected to a ancient D-Link EBR-2310 that is connected to a modem that's shared with a TV.

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WHy not just test it, do some CMD ping commands with your current config, then switch off the second and connect to the wireless router and do more CMD ping commands.

I think you will find that the hard connected router to router setup is faster and less laggy for gaming.

Also maybe try and do some Port fowarding could help you alot with games, and possably disable the firewall on the second router
I did:

New router behind the old router
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1243554596.png
The old router by itself
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1243557420.png
Interesting results
When i tried testing the tew-639GR by itself, it refused to connect to the internet. Then it was midnight and I rage quit and went to sleep. This is the main problem I'm trying to fix here.

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Originally Posted by beers View Post
What's your current topology?
ex> DSL modem router -> Router 2's wan port -> random PC's ?
Modem --- EBR-2310 WAN port --- tew-639GR WAN port --- My computer.
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Did you check to see if the Trendnet router got an IP address from the modem itself?

I assume Shaw Communications is a cable provider?

Some cable company systems won't lease out an IP address to a different MAC address than the one that's been stored on their server. I know Charter(here in the US) works that way in my area. Usually this can be cleared by calling tech support or you can try my suggestions if you want. If what I'm saying holds true to your case then you have two options.

Option 1
I usually just unplug my modem first wait about 30 seconds to about a minute, plug it back in and let it sync up etc. and then hook it up to the new router (Modem -> TEW 639GR WAN port -> your computers). Sometimes you have to disconnect your modem for a good 5 minutes for the Cable co. end to realize you've disconnected. After that check to see if you get an IP address from the modem on the new router.

Option 2
If you know how or if the Trendnet router has the option to "spoof" the MAC address of your D-Link basically type in the MAC address of the D-Link in the spoof menu and check to see if the Trendnet then receives an IP Address.

When you spoof it your basically making the modem think that it's still connected to the D-Link.

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