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Yes. It does.

You're an idiot.
No it doesn't.

My sig rig is not a HTPC, and it'd be completely absurd to claim it is.


Let's look at what characteristics are widely accepted as a making a HTPC a HTPC.

First, whats the widely accepted definition of a HTPC?

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A Home Theater PC (HTPC) or Media Center is a convergence device that combines some or all the capabilities of a personal computer with software applications that supports video, photo, and music playback.
I'd be more than willing to be that whenever someone hears the word HTPC, they think of a small, quiet PC that sits under their TV that they play movies, music, photos etc on. It'd sit with their reciever, game consoles etc.

Television connectivity
This is basic, and most recent graphics card, regardless of if theyre meant for HTPC use or not have outputs to goto a TV setup, specifically HDMI/VGA/Component etc.

Quiet / minimal noise
A common user complaint with using standard PCs as HTPC units is background noise, especially in quieter film scenes. Most personal computers are designed for maximum performance, while the functions of a HTPC system may not be processor-intensive. Thus, passive cooling systems, low-speed fans, vibration-absorbing elastic mounts for fans and hard drives, and other noise minimizing devices are used in place of conventional cooling systems.

Remote control
Integrating a HTPC into a typical living room requires a way of controlling it from a distance. Many TV tuner/capture cards include remote controls for use with the applications included with the card. Software such as Boxee, GB-PVR, SageTV, MediaPortal and Beyond TV support the use of Windows MCE and other remote controls. Another option is an in-air mouse pointer like the Wii Remote, GlideTV Navigator, or Loop Pointer which gives cursor control from a distance. It is also possible to utilize common wireless keyboards and other peripherals to achieve the same effect (though the range may not be as long as a typical remote control).


Now to be honest, I heavily disagree that any old PC connected up to a TV is a HTPC. It goes against the meaning and aims of a HTPC. If we start calling any PC a HTPC, why have a seperate word for it? Cmon guys, we need to stick to some sort of guideline.

That's why, my behemoth, noisy, monster of a PC that sits under my desk with my 32" TV does not make it a HTPC. Its not a HTPC. It's a PC, a plain old PC. If it was in a nice, small discrete case, with a quieter and cooler GPU, and I had some sort of wireless + comfortable means of using it from a distance (from my bed, this setups in my bedroom) (a wireless keyboard and mouse doesnt count, using a keyboard and mouse while sitting on a sofa/bed isn't comfortable at all) then yeah, we could start calling it a HTPC. But not in it's current state.

I'm not saying HTPCs have to be underpowered useless machines.


Lawyered.
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If we start calling any PC a HTPC, why have a seperate word for it?
If it's connected to a HOME THEATER, then.. it's a HOME THEATER PC.

Yes, we get it, you want the name HTPC all to yourself so it can mean whatever you like it to mean.

But according to the English language, a PC dedicated to power a Home Theater setup is an HTPC.

What you're thinking of when you think "HTPC" is what the non-techies refer to it. As in, the people who know what Blu-rays are but not Half Life.

Being of the latter category, MY HTPC can game like crazy.

End of discussion.
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If you really think you'll be doing a lot of encoding, the HT and extra cache of the 2600k will come in handy. If you're going to just encode the occasional video and time isn't of extreme importance, the 2500k will suffice. If you don't plan to OC to the moon, you could probably save some more cash and get something like a vanilla 2500. I believe you can still OC them a tiny bit with the extra turbo multipliers, but I'm not certain.

Also, HTPC doesn't mean "barely fast enough to do anything other than play video". It's a PC connected to a home entertainment setup. Just because people strive for super low power consumption and barely sufficient performance, doesn't mean Track has to. His HTPC will be doing more than your usual playback. He'll be gaming and encoding, which requires more horsepower.
Thank you!

Finally a worthwhile answer. I really appreciate it.

If you connect your PC to your TV then by golly.. it is now a PC and an HTPC. If anyone doesn't understand that, they shouldn't talk.

On topic:

This is the problem for me.. I know that I won't be doing too much encoding, and I use CUDA and I really couldn't care less if it takes 12 minutes and 41 seconds and not 12 minutes and 48 seconds.

But for some reason.. I'm drawn to the 2600k.
Will I have a more streamlined experience? Will I?
Would it be like going from a Vertex 2 to a Vertex 3 - you feel it but rarely, and yet you still want to upgrade?

I just can't decide.. and it's been a week!!
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A modded NSK-2400.

I just don't know if the 2600k is worth the extra 100$.

Wow, you ask a simple question and everyone goes OT and then flames you.

I sure love this place..
I wasn't flaming you.....

I apologize if my reaction seemed kind of blunt, but a GTX 480/470 with the stock cooler would ruin your HTPC experience. An HTPC usually is a cool, efficient, compact and near noiseless device so I thought I should mention something about the GTX 480.

The 2600K will be better in multithreaded apps so you might want to look into a few SB benchmarks for that. In gaming I think the 2500K would give you the same experience and will probably OC better and generate less heat.
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I wasn't flaming you.....

I apologize if my reaction seemed kind of blunt, but a GTX 480/470 with the stock cooler would ruin your HTPC experience. An HTPC usually is a cool, efficient, compact and near noiseless device so I thought I should mention something about the GTX 480.

The 2600K will be better in multithreaded apps so you might want to look into a few SB benchmarks for that. In gaming I think the 2500K would give you the same experience and will probably OC better and generate less heat.
No, I was talking about everyone else. You're one of the two helpful people here.

Like I said, my GTX 480 has a noiseless cooler.

But even if I switch it out to my other GTX 480(s), it still wouldn't matter, because the only time that I need silence is when I'm watching a movie.
At which point, the GPU won't be used and I can set the fan speed to the minimum.

I suppose I'm asking whether the entire 'Windows experience' will be better with 8 threads.. not just a specific program.
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You aren't taking any of the advice in this thread so I find myself wondering why you made it in the first place. You seem pretty dead-set on having a 2500k and GTX 480 in your "HTPC" so I suggest just ending it and going with that. It's your money go ahead and spend it how you want.
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You aren't taking any of the advice in this thread so I find myself wondering why you made it in the first place. You seem pretty dead-set on having a 2500k and GTX 480 in your "HTPC" so I suggest just ending it and going with that. It's your money go ahead and spend it how you want.
Okay well, you obviously didn't read the thread.

I am dead-set on the 2600k and want to be convinced to get the 2500k.
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Hi Track. If I let you get the 2600k, will you promise no more cuda-coding? Take a look at Anandtechs screen grabs of cpu vs quicksync vs cuda.

To be fair to everyone ripping you about the video card in your htpc, you pretty much stated that your htpc was going to watch video and maybe encode some. It was only later in the thread you stated you game on it.
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Hi Track. If I let you get the 2600k, will you promise no more cuda-coding? Take a look at Anandtechs screen grabs of cpu vs quicksync vs cuda.

To be fair to everyone ripping you about the video card in your htpc, you pretty much stated that your htpc was going to watch video and maybe encode some. It was only later in the thread you stated you game on it.
Is that you, God?

No one else has the ability to allow or disallow me to do something..
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To get back to the question of, "Which Sandy Bridge CPU is better for HTPC?" Newegg has a video interview with intel from some time ago that describes each type and what they work best for.
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