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Want to know what? All that for a home plex server? The whole point of this is to use inexpensive desktop components.

I think the point being made is that you've got this extremely long thread, much of which is based on all the troubleshooting you've been doing. Much of that could have been avoided by going with server grade hardware and software. One thing people often seem to undervalue is their time. You may have saved money on hardware but how much time have you spent working on this server to get it "stable?" Server grade hardware and software is more expensive for a reason, it is intended to be set it and forget for the most part. This server may be "only" for a Plex server, but if you want that server running 24/7 with few hiccups the best way to do that is to build a system designed for just that.

And just a side note, while my "home" plex server is used for a lot more than just home use, I've grown to rely on it for 80%+ of my media needs so it being down is just not acceptable to me. Just my personal anecdote.
Edited by PuffinMyLye - 5/5/17 at 8:23am
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well you were like "um guys say something" well i said something. it seems ok but really the next step would of been full server grade stuff, doesn't need to be new can be used off ebay like my e3-1230/mb/8gbecc ram for $200. also instead of just plex there are other things you could do like network backups for all the computers in the house, host a game server that you may play.

over all it seems a really good step into network storage compared to a lot on here.

I don't really store anything on my PC's except games, files are kept on the server and those are triple backed up, network backups aren't really needed anymore. Hell I even use onedrive for school now too.

ya gotta think though man, most of this stuff came out of my retired gaming rigs and in this case the motherboard used to me my HTPC which I got rid of because of plex.
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I think the point being made is that you've got this extremely long thread, much of which is based on all the troubleshooting you've been doing. Much of that could have been avoided by going with server grade hardware and software. One thing people often seem to undervalue is their time. You may have saved money on hardware but how much time have you spent working on this server to get it "stable?" Server grade hardware and software is more expensive for a reason, it is intended to be set it and forget for the most part. This server may be "only" for a Plex server, but if you want that server running 24/7 with few hiccups the best way to do that is to build a system designed for just that.

And just a side note, while my "home" plex server is used for a lot more than just home use, I've grown to rely on it for 80%+ of my media needs so it being down is just not acceptable to me. Just my personal anecdote.

Troubleshooting is part of the fun tbh, I may complain at the time but really I enjoy fixing problems which believe it or not are not that common. This server has been running continuously for years and usually breaks when I am tying something new or I have screwed up something or like a power supply starts dying. Which happens to "server grade" ones too.
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I don't really store anything on my PC's except games, files are kept on the server and those are triple backed up, network backups aren't really needed anymore. Hell I even use onedrive for school now too.

ya gotta think though man, most of this stuff came out of my retired gaming rigs and in this case the motherboard used to me my HTPC which I got rid of because of plex.

if you have a school email that ends in .edu then you may be able to get microsoft server 2012 r2 for free - https://imagine.microsoft.com/en-us/catalog
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if you have a school email that ends in .edu then you may be able to get microsoft server 2012 r2 for free - https://imagine.microsoft.com/en-us/catalog

I have used windows server before for this, I ran into the problem of not being able to use home versions of things like diskeeper and even regular stuff like antivirus.

Windows 10 has all the functionality I need for a home server OS.
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Troubleshooting is part of the fun tbh, I may complain at the time but really I enjoy fixing problems which believe it or not are not that common. This server has been running continuously for years and usually breaks when I am tying something new or I have screwed up something or like a power supply starts dying. Which happens to "server grade" ones too.

I enjoy fixing problems as well just not with my home servers that I rely on everyday. I have a whole test lab environment setup for exactly that so that it doesn't affect the stuff that my wife and I have come to rely on everyday (Plex, HDHomeRun DVR, Surviellance cameras, etc.).
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I enjoy fixing problems as well just not with my home servers that I rely on everyday. I have a whole test lab environment setup for exactly that so that it doesn't affect the stuff that my wife and I have come to rely on everyday (Plex, HDHomeRun DVR, Surviellance cameras, etc.).

yeah, nothing mission critical here except entertainment.
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yeah, nothing mission critical here except entertainment.

My entertainment has become mission critical thumb.gif.
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I think the point being made is that you've got this extremely long thread, much of which is based on all the troubleshooting you've been doing. Much of that could have been avoided by going with server grade hardware and software. One thing people often seem to undervalue is their time. You may have saved money on hardware but how much time have you spent working on this server to get it "stable?" Server grade hardware and software is more expensive for a reason, it is intended to be set it and forget for the most part. This server may be "only" for a Plex server, but if you want that server running 24/7 with few hiccups the best way to do that is to build a system designed for just that.

And just a side note, while my "home" plex server is used for a lot more than just home use, I've grown to rely on it for 80%+ of my media needs so it being down is just not acceptable to me. Just my personal anecdote.

Troubleshooting is part of the fun tbh, I may complain at the time but really I enjoy fixing problems which believe it or not are not that common. This server has been running continuously for years and usually breaks when I am tying something new or I have screwed up something or like a power supply starts dying. Which happens to "server grade" ones too.

Totally agree. I do not think it's worth spending more on Xeons when AMD chips already support ECC just for the sake of having Intel so you can claim 'compatibility'.

 

I recently switched from Win 8.1 to Mint 18.1 on my media server and it ran wonderfully for a week until it crashed. Oddly the machine was actually still running but I couldn't remote connect to it and the screen I have connected to the server said that there is no connection so certain services crashed while the VM's running the Plex and Torrent sections were still running.

 

Personally I no longer like Windows as server OS and think Linux is far more stable, smooth and light and I use a regular desktop distro. If my server crashes again in a few days time I will look into another distro, maybe Ubuntu server, Manjaro or even CentOS. I am not averse to experimentation as Plex runs in its own dedicated VM so I only need to install VBox and Plex is back up and running. It would be less resource intensive if I ran Plex in a container but I think a dedicated VM offers more redundancy and security.

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if you really want to know imo you should of just gone with real server grade xeon and ecc ram.

AMD chips support ECC, unlike Intel and AMD's IMC is far more robust and compatible with a wide range of RAM.

 

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Want to know what? All that for a home plex server? The whole point of this is to use inexpensive desktop components.

I think the point being made is that you've got this extremely long thread, much of which is based on all the troubleshooting you've been doing. Much of that could have been avoided by going with server grade hardware and software. One thing people often seem to undervalue is their time. You may have saved money on hardware but how much time have you spent working on this server to get it "stable?" Server grade hardware and software is more expensive for a reason, it is intended to be set it and forget for the most part. This server may be "only" for a Plex server, but if you want that server running 24/7 with few hiccups the best way to do that is to build a system designed for just that.

And just a side note, while my "home" plex server is used for a lot more than just home use, I've grown to rely on it for 80%+ of my media needs so it being down is just not acceptable to me. Just my personal anecdote.

This is why I run my Plex server in its own dedicated VM. If the OS goes down I can reinstall the OS, install VBox and have Plex online in an hour.

 

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if you have a school email that ends in .edu then you may be able to get microsoft server 2012 r2 for free - https://imagine.microsoft.com/en-us/catalog

I have used windows server before for this, I ran into the problem of not being able to use home versions of things like diskeeper and even regular stuff like antivirus.

Windows 10 has all the functionality I need for a home server OS.

Windows Server is terrible in some ways, Linux is far, far superior, which is why Linux dominates the server market.

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