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Hi everyone, i brought a gtx 460 1GB couple weeks ago and i got a huge bottleneck... The gpu laod wont go over 50% on dual-core optimized game and i do horrible scores on benchs, specialy 3dmark06 ( 12k... ).

I know i need to OC that little thing called Q6600 G0 but i'm not really good at Ocing. Kinda scared on broking my chip and i want to keep it couple months.

Let's start. I want to reach 3.6GHz 200% stable with my Asus P5Q pro turbo, my cpu lapped as a mirror, my hyper 212+push/pull with 2k RPM fan... Everything in my HAF 932 with more fans as normal.

Is it possible, yeah i hope so! can you help me to do it? hope so as well =) I know the chip is 1.25000VID but what does it mean andis it good or not? I don't want to go higher than 70c and i wish it's possible.

I need to know some stuff before starting OCing ( i already oced it to 3.6GHz but i didn't mountde HS correctly and had 69c after 15min in prime 95. After fixing the prob i set multi to 8 ( was 9 ) and vcore to 1.37v ( was 1.45v) Everything set for a 3.6GHz OC. I had 31c idle and 50 under load at this clock (3.2Ghz).

Now, THE question.... How to understand how to set SB, NB, vPLL and every other voltage? and how to se my ram? With 400FSB i set it to 1:1 i know but timinghs? as it's said by manufacturer? as well as voltages...

Why all theses questions u will ask? In january i've do the 3.2GHz OC for a month without problems. At the end of the month, i had complete freeze in BFBC2, BF2, on desktop. I decided to remove the OC and test my memory. Everything was fine. No more freeze. 2 weeks after. another freeze... I think it was driver issue or GPU issue ( had a9800gtx+ before). I didn't wanted to OC anymore after that episode. But now with the GTX 460 extremly bottlenecked, i need to give it a try again. and i don't trust myself enough to do that ¬¬....

Can you help em to find the best way to get the best possible oc at 3.6GHz? because i think i got the good parts to do it sucessfully. But i don't got the experience for it.


THANKS LOT for reading this. Here are the screens of the 3é2GHz OC with everything set for 3.6GHz except multi and Vcore... Comments?

http://img233.imageshack.us/g/p1020406q.jpg/
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I'd just bump your vCore to 1.4v, and back it down from there. I would imagine a 1.25v VID (yes, that's good) Q6600 would do 3.6 on 1.4v, it's just a starting point.

I had a 1.28v VID CPU that did 3.2 on stock volts, I'd imagine a 1.25v CPU could do the same, or better.
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usually the lower the vid, the higher you can overclock as you can add more voltage,
you seem to know what you are doing lol

those are very good temps on load for 3.2ghz, 50.c, its not fair mine reaches mid 70.s at 3.3ghz in intel burn test

i usually leave my ram timings at default but i have overclocked them from 800mhz to 990mhz, my stock voltage for the ram was 1.8v, and i raised it to 1.9v

the northbridge, as i only have 2 sticks of ram, i found that just rising this by 1 notch was enough.
having 4 sticks of ram, you will have to raise it more, as this puts more pressure on the northbridge.

if i got a freeze in windows, i would just add another notch of cpu voltage in the bios.
i would also add a notch or two to the VTT or FSB voltage (i dont know your mobo)
your cpu is fine upto 1.5v and upto 80.C so they are pretty tough.

when running test below, use realtemp and keep an eye on temps.
notice "the distance to tjmax" never let it go below 20

also is your ram at stock speed or it it linked to the overclock?
if its linked, then unlink it and return it to stock speeds

also i find intel burn test will find an unstable overclock quicker than prime

you have to run ibt properly
before running, open task manager and see the amount of free ram.
for example i have 2550mb free ram so in IBT i enter a custom amount of 2500. (just below the free amount)
then i change the threads from auto to 4 (quad core)
now every run i make i always get around 40-42 gflops. (consistent)

" I would choose 'free' memory as available memory will also make use of cache memory which must be storing data for other applications aswell. Windows may free up some physical memory from the cached memory during testing but not totally and i think the rest will be the virtual memory as a compensation.

Available = Free + (Cached - Modified)"

running just free memory will help you get higher gflops, as its just using free ram and not cached ram
this should also have 4 or 2 cores running at 100%"

this will give you more consistent gflops score, but will also make your temps higher, as more gflops, the more the cpu is stressed

a Q6600 at 3.6ghz you should be getting around 40-45gflops
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post #4 of 24
You're more realistically looking at 1.45VCore for 3.6, and don't be scared of up to 1.5 with a 65nm like the Q6600.

You should be able to get 3.6 with maybe a bump to NB voltage and then just bumping VCore to gain stability. Maybe someone here knows what NB volts he should run on a P5Q?

Do short-term testing with OCCT at each 100MHz bump. If it fails, bump VCore a notch and retest. If it completes, move up 100MHz on the CPU and re-test. If VCore bumps are NOT helping at all, decrease your CPU multiple and test for your max FSB. If it's failing at low FSB you need to look at RAM settings and/or NB voltage.

Once you get your max stable clock with OCCT, move to 6 hrs Prime Blend/ large FFTs which will stress your NB/RAM. Then IBT if you want to check flops and make alot of heat.
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Thanks guys for the advices But the reason for me to OC is the GTX 460... Only tht... Can you tell me if 3.6Ghz is enough to eliminate the bottleneck?

For the test i know how to do that ( more than before now ..). I know the 65nm can take a LOT of voltage and a lot of heat but i would be scary to put 1.5v on a cpu 0.0.Well ill try 1.45v but for now. I keep it stock untill i'm 100% sure what i'm doing.

Oh and, did you saw my screen shots in the imageshack link? Are those great voltages for 3.6GHz? Because it was supposed to be 3.6Ghz but i noly changed multi from 9 to 8 and vcore from 1.45 to 1.37...


Also, i don't really really understad the way to test my MAX FSB. I will search for it on google today and if you can explain me it would be appreciate


Thanks again.
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3.2Ghz was enough to get rid of most of my bottleneck on my 560. Anything beyond that is gravy. I honestly think you'll run into temp issues before you max everything out. I have my Q6700 @ 3.7Ghz and 1.47v. I could probably get 3.75 with 1.5v but its not worth it and my temps would go way up. I'm not sure if that cooler could handle more than 1.45v. My Zalman 9900LED couldn't.
    
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as blacklac said,
afaik you will be fine from 3.4ghz upwards.
i have mine at 3.3 and i dont bottleneck my hd5850
also imo the difference between 3.4 and say 3.8 is only about 1-2fps, so its not worth all the extra temps and volts imo

for max fsb

"finding Max FSB

Additionally, for CPUs that allow you to change (lower) the CPU multiplier, it is handy to determine what the maximum stable FSB of you're MB is. If you don't have the option to lower multipliers skip this section.

1. Increase the FSB by 5MHz.
2. Reduce the multiplier and RAM divider if requried so that both are at stock speeds or slightly less.
3. Boot into windows and run Prime Large FFT Test, this will also stress the chipset and RAM so will be testing the FSB not just the CPU.
4. Run it for 30mins monitoring temperatures, if it doesn't fail goto 1 again, if it fails, go to step 5.
5. Increase the chipset voltage a notch and go back to 4.

Eventually increasing the voltage will have little effect on increasing the FSB. At this point run a full range of tests and increase the duration of your Prime testing to 8 hours (some recomend more, some less, for me 8 hours is how long I'm at work give or take). If it fails any tests, reduce the FSB by 5MHz and retest until the required level of stability is achieved."
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post #8 of 24
I just finished a combo build with old/new parts, Q8300 at 3.6 and 560. Tested a bunch of games at 1080p, did not notice any probs.

3dmark06 is very CPU dependent BTW and at 2.4 you're crippled.

You just need to make sure your board can do 400-410. You won't really need more than that. And use only the VCore you need to be stable.
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Here is some reference from my old setup running @ 3,3 Ghz.

    
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Just don't let your temps get over 70 and you won't burn your chip out.

Search for a thread on your specific board (maybe google as the OCN search sucks) and there might be cookiecutter results you can use as a base and tweak to your liking.

3.0-3.2 should be achieveable on stock volts, 3.6 tooks me 1.35V (1.25vid) and 3.8 takes me 1.45XXV. I can boot into windows at 4.0ghz on 1.55 but it is only stable enough to validate, nothing more. Core#3 fails stability tests on me every time.
    
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