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I haven't messed up my partition table since my first days using linux, when I was using gparted in Ubuntu.

What is more common though is messing up your config. Either a typo or syntax error. With lilo you only get one chance, then its off to a recovery cd.

With grub though I can just edit on the fly until it works. You can also add parameters on the fly too. eg. I can modify the kernel arguments on boot to switch run levels, change kernels, etc...
That is true, it's reassuring to know that a problem in grub doesn't mean you're screwed. Although if grub gets totalled (as I've had before - Grub error 17 is not cool) you're still SOL so it's a moot argument.

In the end, there isn't that much difference from an end-user perspective. It's just syntax in the end of the day *flame suit on*
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Sorry for the DP, but I've just had a thought - do I need to recompile glibc against the new kernel headers now?
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Sorry for the DP, but I've just had a thought - do I need to recompile glibc against the new kernel headers now?
Just to keep things simple, it is just best to be using the same glibc as the kernel was compiled with. The system will run without this consistency but it makes life more difficult if you need to compile new modules such as even the nVidia drivers which is fairly strict in it's requirements. Again this is one advantage to complete self-contained versions over rolling releases and automatic updaters. The whole "symphony" is "on the same page of music" and "playing in the same key". Ahhh sweet harmony!
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From what I've read, I shouldn't have bothered installing the kernel headers that came along with the custom kernel (too late now though!). I haven't tried to compile anything under the new kernel yet, but I haven't noticed any other issues, and I installed the new headers ages ago (they worked straight away, unlike the kernel!). I think I'll leave it for now, then recompile all 3 when glibc gets updated
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glibc needs the kernel headers from the kernel it was compiled against, regardless of whether you update your kernel later.
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But this just says >2.6.37 :s
I've currently got 2.6.38, so by that logic I should be ok?
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i've always been under the impression that you need to recompile glibc and the rest of the tool chain if you go outside of the current kernel that is was built for...i've been sticking with the kernel source that comes with a distro when i go to make a custom kernel.

but digging a bit deeper, it does appear you only have to keep the headers of the kernel you compiled against. so you should be good imho.
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Wha? You don't have to compile it against the currently built kernel but it can cause issues if you don't. Your also supposed to build the toolchain with the same version of GCC but that's not a must either it just keeps errors down.
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If I understand what others are saying then I agree...with this >

1) Kernel Headers work so that's all you really have to have (consistent with glibc eff kerse)

2) It is more complete to just bite the little bullet and unpack kernel source in "/usr/src/linux-foo" and link it to "usr/src/linux", do an "oldconfig", then a "menuconfig" or "xconfig"

drop to console and either run consecutively or make a simple kernelbld.sh (or whatever name you want) script that runs
"make bzImage&&make modules&&make modules_install"

On a modern machine the entire process is around an hour, is consistent and compatible with everything, creates a kernel backup, and doesn't upset anything in the system with one major caveat

If you choose to eliminate initrd and enable the most low level drivers you need statically in the kernel and you have run the various configs and makes against source then you must also copy that "bzImage" along with it's config and System.map into your boot directory and update your bootloader to install it manually or do whatever your distro requires to get the initrd-less kernel installed preferably as a menu option so you keep the one that booted in the first place and can try before you buy the new one. It's well worth the time.
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