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When is kepler suppose to come out? Q4?
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It's all guessing at this point but I wouldn't put money on any earlier than November. That's why I didn't even mention it in my recommendations to the OP because it seemed like although he could certainly get by on 5850s until then I just got the impression that he wanted to go ahead with this build and get it done soon, I could be wrong though.
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Well let's see here, if I recall correctly you mentioned in the thread that shalt not be named that you really wanted to be able to max out a lot of games into the future or at least come close correct? That combined with your budget, which is healthy, led me and Balla to be thinking SLI even though you are just looking at a typical resolution of 1080p.

Alright so that makes me think that as far as GPUs go that because just about any thing involving a 580 would be stretching your budget (one isn't quite enough to max all things and two would be $1000) that you would be best served by something like the Asus Direct CUII 570 in SLI if I was correct about you wanting as much performance as possible. I don't want to seem biased to just get you to buy my exact card but I honestly can't think of an Nvidia solution that would be better for your price. Other options would be Palit 2GB 560s in SLI which have more VRAM but that shouldn't be necessary for 1080P even with gobs of AA. The Palit cards are also less powerful, noisier, run hotter and don't have the added benefits of better quality components that the Asus 570 does, and they only cost $70 less, which in my opinion isn't cheap enough for how much you lose over the Asus 570. Another option would be these MSI 480 Lightnings which have 1.5GB of VRAM compared to the 1.25Gb in the 570, but they are only as powerful as 570s and would be noisier, produce more heat and are a little more expensive than the Asus 570.

None of those options would be bad but I still think the Asus 570 would be best.

As far as CPU coolers go I would also recommend the NH-D14, the only issue with it may be if the RAM that you already had that you mentioned previously has tall heatsinks, then you would have to either raise up the front 120mm fan or possibly remove it entirely. Neither of those options would be terrible though. The CM V10 looks pretty gimmicky to me, and while it may impress more people at LANs the NH-D14 is widely regarded as one of the top 2-3 performing air coolers and is generally has the best user experience out of the top coolers, others have even more RAM clearance issues or are a pain to install, etc. So the people that really know their stuff at these LANs will be plenty impressed by the NH D-14.

Also remember when selecting motherboards to make sure the P67 you are considering has room for 2 triple slot cards, like the two Asus one I mentioned earlier the Deluxe and the Pro because no matter what cards you go with triple slot spacing is preferred.

And there is no reason to be afriad of overclocking either your 2600K or the graphics cards assuming your PSU is up to snuff and cooling isn't an issue. I don't have enough experience to be confident enough to offer my help OCing your CPU but I know that sandybridge are generally much easier to OC than previous chips. Your GPu on the other hand I could certainly give you and tips or help you need to OC them.
I really like that cooler, it fits right into my other budget outside of the video cards, and it's cheaper then the V10. ASUS ENGTX570 really does seem like an amazing card, but if I were to SLI it, would I have space between it for sufficent cooling? Would you recomend it over a single 580 which will be sli'ed down the road? I'm being very serious, I'm basicly putting 700 bucks in the hands of the forum for my video card choice.
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It just depends on the level of detail you're seeking with current gen games.

Even a 9800GT is going to be able to play probably everything out now with low enough settings.

At around 850 core on my gtx 470 SLI setup with a 5Ghz SB cpu I get the following in more recent games:

Dragon Age II - Around 70-90 fps. With max IG settings.

Crysis II - Around 90-105 fps. With max IG settings minus MSAA (causes flickering and the game isn't even DX11 yet)

Metro 2033 - Around 54 fps. Max IG settings, DOF on, Tess on -DX11, Physx running (dedicated card).

Just Cause 2 - 8x AA 16x AF - Around 110 first test, 140 second, 80 in concrete jungle.


Since there is no single card that is going to match 470 sli performance at my clocks, I'd say for todays games its slightly overkill for the most part. However there are the newer titles that are already giving it a decent run, and Metro 2033 will take it below the goal of 60 fps.

With *high end* Kepler coming out later this year I would hesitate to buy higher end gpus, I personally wouldn't go above $300 total cost per card.

That leaves you anything from 460 SLI to maybe 570 SLI.

The fun thing about having too much power for most IG settings at 1080p is forcing higher settings through the control panel.

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What is Kepler?
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What is Kepler?
The new nvidia GPU's supposedly coming out later this year and supposedly 3x faster then the current generation
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I don't feel comfortable making that decision for you, I am far from the most experienced person even viewing this thread right now, so be sure to get as many opinions as you can and weigh them all against your needs, but I will give you my opinion.

First I will address the "will there be enough space", yes if you buy one of any of the quality P67 choices available, most of them can accommodate triple slot cards. This means that there are two slots (be they PCI or PCIe x1 or what have you, doesn't matter) between the PCIe x16 slots that you would want to be using as for your graphics cards. The triple slot cooler on the Asus may be right up against the back of the one below it and normally this might be a cause for concern that the top card would not be able to breath very well but in this case with the cooler on the Asus I would not worry about it in the slightest. In my build with the fan speeds set to auto I have never even seen them hit 25% fan speed and they are silent at that speed while still maintaining gaming or folding temps of 62C or below. So even assuming the top card's air was obstructed, or less than ideal, you might be seeing a fan speed of 35% to keep temps at the mid 60s or if you want to go the other direction you could lock fan speed at 25% and get temps of around the mid 70s which would still be great. So honestly based on my experiences with the Asus Direct CUII (just the one mind you not in SLI) I cannot imagine a circumstance where either noise or temperatures would be cause for concern with this card, the cooler is very very good.


Regarding 570s vs 580s, 580s will of course be faster but to give you an idea of how much faster in general a 570 can be overclocked to the performance levels of a stock 580, so there is not a huge amount of performance difference between the two. In my opinion the biggest benefit of SLI 580s would be their extra quarter gigabyte of VRAM, which I don't believe would be strictly necessary at a resolution of 1080p, but if it was something that you were looking for I would suggest the MSI lightning 480s I linked earlier as the have the same extra .25 gigabytes of VRAM over the 570 while costing only $370 as opposed to the 580s $500. This is because the performance levels of the 480 are comparable to a 570, just with that extra .25 gigabyte of VRAM.

EDIT: I forgot to mention one of the most important things about that MSI 480 is that it requires 3 8-pin power connectors which would mean that you would be looking at a more expensive power supply if you planned on running them in SLI. Also as I mentioned previously about them they would be noisier than the Asus 570 but as they are only dual slot coolers they would have plenty of space to breath in a motherboard that had triple slot spaced PCIe x16s.
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And Kepler is the name of the next generation of Nvidia GPU chip architecture that should be coming at the end of this year. Basically what it means to you is that at the end of this year there should be a graphics card available that will be approximately twice as fast as the high end now (580) for around a similar price ($500). Keep in mind that will Kepler will come out, and very likely come out this year, all the particulars are just estimates.
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If you're getting Sandybridge, there's positively no need for a monster cooler like that, You can get to 4.5Ghz on a Gelid Tranquillo, a tiny cooler as standards go. LGA1155 processors preduce less heat than the last generation, so they don't need such extreme cooling.

Thermaltake Frio has awesome cooling capabilities but can be noisy, and the BeQuiet! Dark rock pro/advanced both have good cooling power with low noise. The coolers you're talking about aren't worth using because of their high noise levels and you know nothing about overclocking, so you're obviously not planning on a massive 5Ghz overclock.
The silver arrow and d14 are both quieter than all of the coolers u suggested. Plus he would not hear it over the case fans
    
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And Kepler is the name of the next generation of Nvidia GPU chip architecture that should be coming at the end of this year. Basically what it means to you is that at the end of this year there should be a graphics card available that will be approximately twice as fast as the high end now (580) for around a similar price ($500). Keep in mind that will Kepler will come out, and very likely come out this year, all the particulars are just estimates.
I'm so impatient waiting for new tech to come out. But new tech is always coming out lol.
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The new nvidia GPU's supposedly coming out later this year and supposedly 3x faster then the current generation
lol 3x faster? Where did you stumble across this snippet of hearsay?
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