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But they remain in ISO? I've been ripping to ISO to avoid hassles with forced subtitles. Some movies have them burned in, others don't.
What's your process now? I've been using AnyDVD HD to rip directly to ISO, but if I can rip out all the extra stuff then I will do that. (I try to play all movies with XBMC so anything but the movie is skipped over anyways.)

- Rip as a full ISO using AnyDVD (You technically don't even need to do this, DVDFab will do it, but I trust AnyDVD more with encryption)
- Load ISO in PowerDVD, and see whats going on with the audio/subtitle tracks. Look for "extended editions", etc.
- Use DVDFab's Blu-ray Copy to rip out main movie then automatically create a new ISO with only the main movie. This is not always an easy process, as there is sometimes many different types of the movie (especially on Disney movies).

Sadly, forced subtitles are the biggest headache in the world. There are 3 kinds:
1) Forced subtitles built into normal subtitles. 99.9% of the time they are track 1. If you keep all english subtitles, it *SHOULD* in 99% of cases, find these forced subs and automatically play them even after running it through DVDFab. I still randomly come across movies I need to re-rip and fix because of these though, maybe 1 in 100 movies.
2) A completely separate subtitle track that is enabled by default when you play the movie. You must manually check for these and if it exists, you must tell DVDFab to enable the subtitle track by default. Mild annoyance, hard to mess up as long as you check the full ISO.
3) Hardcoded into the movie. These are easy and can be ignored.

I use PowerDVD to launch the full ISO to see what's going on before I tell DVDFab what I want to leave, and what I want to remove. For some movies, it takes 30 seconds to figure out. For others, it can take 5+ minutes to figure it all out. It's still a heck of a lot simpler than converting them to MKV though. I'm OCD, so I remove all but 1 english subtitle track and that's what usually takes the longest to verify. I leave 2 subtitle tracks on there if forced subtitles are totally separate, like in example 2. However, by removing english subtitles tracks, there is a chance you will remove a track that has built-in forced subtitles, like in example 1.

The only way to be 100% sure is just to watch the movie after you remove all the extras. The easiest way, is to just not remove any english subtitle tracks, and only check the full ISO for example 2 subtitles. That should work for 100% of movies. Some movies have like 10 subtitle tracks though, and it can be pretty annoying when you actually want to enable the real subtitles.
Edited by Murlocke - 6/13/12 at 8:48am
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I just saw this thread about HDD prices in the news section frown.gif. Prices might not be good until 2014.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1269087/dt-hdd-prices-not-predicted-to-return-to-normal-until-2014
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Oh Murlocke, don't know how much you paid for SAS cables but I bought mine on eBay. I've had great luck with this seller (boots2sunshine)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-SAS-36-Pin-to-Mini-SAS-36-Pin-SFF-8087-Data-Cable/220964190145?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=012&category=74941&cmd=ViewItem#ht_1538wt_1343
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Oh Murlocke, don't know how much you paid for SAS cables but I bought mine on eBay. I've had great luck with this seller (boots2sunshine)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-SAS-36-Pin-to-Mini-SAS-36-Pin-SFF-8087-Data-Cable/220964190145?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=012&category=74941&cmd=ViewItem#ht_1538wt_1343

I paid about twice that from Norco Direct. tongue.gif

Nice server you have there, about 50TB? Seems lots are starting to build them. The norco cases make it so easy, such a good value for how much they cost. thumb.gif
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so scince i most likely will be purchasing your old parts what case would you recomend for me?

edit: in canada btw
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Doesn't the case come with four 80mm fans? How did you change the panel to install three 120mm fans?
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

- Rip as a full ISO using AnyDVD (You technically don't even need to do this, DVDFab will do it, but I trust AnyDVD more with encryption)
- Load ISO in PowerDVD, and see whats going on with the audio/subtitle tracks. Look for "extended editions", etc.
- Use DVDFab's Blu-ray Copy to rip out main movie then automatically create a new ISO with only the main movie. This is not always an easy process, as there is sometimes many different types of the movie (especially on Disney movies).
Sadly, forced subtitles are the biggest headache in the world. There are 3 kinds:
1) Forced subtitles built into normal subtitles. 99.9% of the time they are track 1. If you keep all english subtitles, it *SHOULD* in 99% of cases, find these forced subs and automatically play them even after running it through DVDFab. I still randomly come across movies I need to re-rip and fix because of these though, maybe 1 in 100 movies.
2) A completely separate subtitle track that is enabled by default when you play the movie. You must manually check for these and if it exists, you must tell DVDFab to enable the subtitle track by default. Mild annoyance, hard to mess up as long as you check the full ISO.
3) Hardcoded into the movie. These are easy and can be ignored.
I use PowerDVD to launch the full ISO to see what's going on before I tell DVDFab what I want to leave, and what I want to remove. For some movies, it takes 30 seconds to figure out. For others, it can take 5+ minutes to figure it all out. It's still a heck of a lot simpler than converting them to MKV though. I'm OCD, so I remove all but 1 english subtitle track and that's what usually takes the longest to verify. I leave 2 subtitle tracks on there if forced subtitles are totally separate, like in example 2. However, by removing english subtitles tracks, there is a chance you will remove a track that has built-in forced subtitles, like in example 1.
The only way to be 100% sure is just to watch the movie after you remove all the extras. The easiest way, is to just not remove any english subtitle tracks, and only check the full ISO for example 2 subtitles. That should work for 100% of movies. Some movies have like 10 subtitle tracks though, and it can be pretty annoying when you actually want to enable the real subtitles.

Thank you for this. This is going to save me some serious space. I'd rather fix my problem now than later; I'm only at 67 movies.
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I paid about twice that from Norco Direct. tongue.gif
Nice server you have there, about 50TB? Seems lots are starting to build them. The norco cases make it so easy, such a good value for how much they cost. thumb.gif
Ahh.

Thanks, and yes 50TB total. 35TB useable due to 2xRAIDZ2. (RAID60 in ZFS) I take it to LANs and such so speed is key. Not to mention the countless times I've lost data to a single drive or single RAID5.

The case is low in quality in comparison to other $1k+ cases, but for the price it can't be beat. Would've went with the 4224, but a deal came up for $299.99 + free shipping + free 1.5TB drive and I couldn't pass it up.

I also used to do BD ISO rips of my stuff as well, but I found it to be slightly harder to do anything with the files. (ie. open them in any player, show family how to open them). So now I rip them using MakeMKV. I strip out the full movie track, all English Audio tracks, and all English subtitle tracks into an uncompressed .mkv. Makes trying new media players easier as well. Right now I'm stuck on Plex. I love the "On Deck" feature.
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so scince i most likely will be purchasing your old parts what case would you recomend for me?
edit: in canada btw

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219038

Norco 4224. Yes, it's expensive, but it allows you to use SATA to SAS cables and up to 24 drives. I think you can get it cheaper elsewhere, not sure what canadian stores sell them. Also, check your PM. I'm unable to ship to Canada. frown.gif
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Doesn't the case come with four 80mm fans? How did you change the panel to install three 120mm fans?

http://www.ipcdirect.net/servlet/Detail?no=258

100% recommended. The stock 80mm fans are loud, the first thing I did was buy this and 3x Noctua 120mm, 2x Noctua 80mm. Went from a jet engine to silent, and temps are better.
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Thank you for this. This is going to save me some serious space. I'd rather fix my problem now than later; I'm only at 67 movies.

I still have a couple movies that the popcorn hour refuses to use forced subtitles, it's very rare though, but still incredibly annoying. PowerDVD shows them correctly, so I believe it's just an issue with the popcorn hour. Some movies are just headaches, but it's worth the headaches to save all that space.
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Ahh.
Thanks, and yes 50TB total. 35TB useable due to 2xRAIDZ2. (RAID60 in ZFS) I take it to LANs and such so speed is key. Not to mention the countless times I've lost data to a single drive or single RAID5.
The case is low in quality in comparison to other $1k+ cases, but for the price it can't be beat. Would've went with the 4224, but a deal came up for $299.99 + free shipping + free 1.5TB drive and I couldn't pass it up.
I also used to do BD ISO rips of my stuff as well, but I found it to be slightly harder to do anything with the files. (ie. open them in any player, show family how to open them). So now I rip them using MakeMKV. I strip out the full movie track, all English Audio tracks, and all English subtitle tracks into an uncompressed .mkv. Makes trying new media players easier as well. Right now I'm stuck on Plex. I love the "On Deck" feature.

I've had bad luck with MakeMKV on some movies, and the popcorn hour will never support high res subtitles inside a MKV container (legal issues to my understanding, so I have to convert them to use MKV). With ISO, I don't have the mess with any of that. As for the family members, I have a popcorn hour hooked up to every TV in the house, which makes using ISO files just as easy as MKV. Without that though, ISO would be pretty annoying. tongue.gif
Edited by Murlocke - 6/15/12 at 11:46am
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After a couple weeks of debating it over in my head, I think i've decided that if my new build goes well I will be buying all the same parts again and making a second server. It will be about $1800 after all is said and done, and that's without hard drives. I would move half of the drives from my current server to the new one, and then put a empty 3TB in both (and upgrade as needed).

After the initial cost, this would allow me to expand up to 120TB at $160/3TB, when it currently cost me $160/1TB ($80 after resale). In the long run it is MUCH cheaper than upgrading 2TB drives to 3TB drives, and then 3TB drives to 4TB drives.

Going to think it over for a few more weeks, as it's a huge purchase, I simply don't see myself having the free space i'd like anytime in the near future. I have about 3TB of stuff i'd like to put on there already.
Edited by Murlocke - 6/16/12 at 11:18am
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Intel i7 3770k (4.5GHz) ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe 6GB EVGA GeForce GTX Titan (1164/6500) 16GB G.Skill Sniper (DDR3 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
256GB Crucial M4 2TB Western Digital Black (WD2002FAEX) LG WH12LS39 3x 120mm Noiseblocker PL-2  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 55" Sony HX929 Ducky Shine DK9008S 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX1200 Corsair Carbide 500R Logitech G700 SteelPad S&S Solo 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon 4311CI (Receiver) 2x Klipsch RF-82 (Front Speakers) 4x Klipsch RS-52 (Surround Speakers) Klipsch RC-62 (Center Speaker) 
Audio
SVS 20-39PCi (Subwoofer) 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel i3-2120 (3.3GHz) Supermicro MBD-X9SCM-F-O 8GB Kingston (DDR3 1333) 14x 3TB Western Digital Greens (WD30EZRX) 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
1TB Western Digital Black (WD1002FAEX) 3x Noctua NF-P12 2x Noctua NF-R8 unRAID 5.0 
PowerCaseOther
Corsair AX850 Norco 4224 3x Supermicro AOC-SAS2LP-MV8  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel i3-2120 (3.3GHz) Supermicro MBD-X9SCM-F-O 8GB Kingston (DDR3 1333) 5x 3TB Western Digital Greens (WD30EZRX) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
12x 2TB Western Digital Greens (WD20EARS) 1TB Western Digital Black (WD1002FAEX) 3x Noctua NF-P12 2x Noctua NF-R8 
OSPowerCaseOther
unRAID 5.0 Corsair AX850 Norco 4224 3x Supermicro AOC-SAS2LP-MV8  
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