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If you want a DAC that's really good, I would say the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 or the Cambridge Audio DAC Magic. Both are above $100 though.
Thank You! That is exactly what I was thinking of. The Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 looks amazing, very sleek looking, especially with the tube amp. The wide selection of inputs is awesome, the only thing is that it only has RCA outputs, but not a big deal. $200 is not that bad, I can save. But where do I purchase the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1? It seems like it has limited availability since it is produced in China. Thanks again, this looks very promising.

The Ultimate goal is sound quality, and the flexibility of running either headphones or monitors and a sub. Decibels are less important but I want to be able to hear my music from more than 15ft away.

would the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 be able to accomplish these things?
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I've got no personal experience with that Maverick unit, but it looks decent enough. They brand the "tube" sound extensively, so expect it to have a heavy dose of harmonic distortion regardless of how clean the actual digital-to-analog process is. Harmonic distortion is the result of non-linear performance in a circuit, and is a particular hallmark of tubes - this kind of distortion produces many overtones, which people generally associate with a "warm" sound. Thats just an FYI - this won't be reference-quality equipment, but it could still sound great for general listening. It looks as though the different sets of RCA outputs let you either use the tube pre or not, but I'm not so clear on exactly what the labeling means.

As for your specific questions... any line-level device like this one worth selling will not be the limiting factor in overall volume level for the system. That will overwhelmingly be determined by the sensitivity of your speakers, followed by the power output of your amplifier. This unit looks to have a passable headphone circuit in it, which will cover you there, and with a little handiwork should run monitors/sub fine, too. Most powered subwoofers like you'd use with studio monitors or in a hi-fi setup have integrated crossovers to let you feed them with a simple full-range signal and then split it out to your mains. M-Audio even makes a few units that take RCA in and balance the output for the mains. You've got plenty of options there.
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I've got no personal experience with that Maverick unit, but it looks decent enough. They brand the "tube" sound extensively, so expect it to have a heavy dose of harmonic distortion regardless of how clean the actual digital-to-analog process is. Harmonic distortion is the result of non-linear performance in a circuit, and is a particular hallmark of tubes - this kind of distortion produces many overtones, which people generally associate with a "warm" sound. Thats just an FYI - this won't be reference-quality equipment, but it could still sound great for general listening. It looks as though the different sets of RCA outputs let you either use the tube pre or not, but I'm not so clear on exactly what the labeling means.

As for your specific questions... any line-level device like this one worth selling will not be the limiting factor in overall volume level for the system. That will overwhelmingly be determined by the sensitivity of your speakers, followed by the power output of your amplifier. This unit looks to have a passable headphone circuit in it, which will cover you there, and with a little handiwork should run monitors/sub fine, too. Most powered subwoofers like you'd use with studio monitors or in a hi-fi setup have integrated crossovers to let you feed them with a simple full-range signal and then split it out to your mains. M-Audio even makes a few units that take RCA in and balance the output for the mains. You've got plenty of options there.
Okay thank you for the clarification! It helped a lot. As far as the tube sound goes, it seems as though you can switch between the tube amp and the solid state output if I want a more representative tone. So basically such a unit as the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 will be a great starting point?
    
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Okay thank you for the clarification! It helped a lot. As far as the tube sound goes, it seems as though you can switch between the tube amp and the solid state output if I want a more representative tone. So basically such a unit as the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 will be a great starting point?
If you want "tube" sound sure, but if you want high quality via better DAC then you can find better for far cheaper.
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Yes the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 is a good starting point. You can buy their products from them on their site (http://www.mav-audio.com/). If you don't mind spending over $200, get a receiver. There are 2 types, A/V (audio/video) and stereo (maximum 2.1 support). A/V receivers have more channels, music dedicated features (ex. Dolby Digital), and can also support video (duh ). They're for people who need multiple channels or just want to setup a home theater. Stereo receivers on the other hand can only support 2.1 maximum (2.0 minimum) and sometimes don't have music dedicated features. However, some people argue that they are better which is the upside. Overall, A/V is features, channel support, and movies and some other basic things that don't need intense detail while stereo is for intense detail. You may find most stereo receivers with lower power outputs compared to A/V receivers but there are two I know that are more powerful or about the same. The first one is the Harman Kardon HK 3490. The Onkyo TX-850 is also a good stereo receiver. For A/V, I would recommend anything from Onkyo, Marantz, Denon, and Yamaha. Sherwood right now is a hit or miss so some machines aren't so good and some are good. I'd play it safe. Yes you can ask for a return but I think it would be better to keep a good one without having to return a bad one. Pioneer isn't doing well right now. I think they output voltages they've listed for their receivers is higher on paper but not in real life. It's your choice.
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Yes the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 is a good starting point. You can buy their products from them on their site (http://www.mav-audio.com/). If you don't mind spending over $200, get a receiver. There are 2 types, A/V (audio/video) and stereo (maximum 2.1 support). A/V receivers have more channels, music dedicated features (ex. Dolby Digital), and can also support video (duh ). They're for people who need multiple channels or just want to setup a home theater. Stereo receivers on the other hand can only support 2.1 maximum (2.0 minimum) and sometimes don't have music dedicated features. However, some people argue that they are better which is the upside. Overall, A/V is features, channel support, and movies and some other basic things that don't need intense detail while stereo is for intense detail. You may find most stereo receivers with lower power outputs compared to A/V receivers but there are two I know that are more powerful or about the same. The first one is the Harman Kardon HK 3490. The Onkyo TX-850 is also a good stereo receiver. For A/V, I would recommend anything from Onkyo, Marantz, Denon, and Yamaha. Sherwood right now is a hit or miss so some machines aren't so good and some are good. I'd play it safe. Yes you can ask for a return but I think it would be better to keep a good one without having to return a bad one. Pioneer isn't doing well right now. I think they output voltages they've listed for their receivers is higher on paper but not in real life. It's your choice.
I guess I have never heard a good tube-amped sound before, I feel like I should try to hear this myself to decide if I really like it. I have heard a lot of good things about them though.

So going over $200, a receiver would be the best option for the best Audio quality for the money spent. I think a stereo receiver would fit my requirements and wants. The only thing here is that I wont have a headphone out or the option of a tube-amped sound. It seems like I need to do a bit more research before I make a final decision, but there are some very good recommendations and considerations here.
    
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Personally I love my e7 and I have it paired with the e9 amp, but if you're not going to be moving it around alot the receiver sounds like a good idea.
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I guess I have never heard a good tube-amped sound before, I feel like I should try to hear this myself to decide if I really like it. I have heard a lot of good things about them though.

So going over $200, a receiver would be the best option for the best Audio quality for the money spent. I think a stereo receiver would fit my requirements and wants. The only thing here is that I wont have a headphone out or the option of a tube-amped sound. It seems like I need to do a bit more research before I make a final decision, but there are some very good recommendations and considerations here.
I was in the same situation last month. When I first joined this forum, I didn't even know as much as I do now. I first decided to go with a sound card. After looking through some threads, I came across the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1. Heard it was great and heard a good external DAC can beat a sound card any day. That DAC for me was the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1. After that, FattyMcFatFatFatty (thank you. Now that I bring this up, I need to give you 1 rep) said I should get a used receiver on CraigsList which BillOhio did and said he was satisfied. Some other members reinforced the idea of getting a receiver and said it would be better than all the things separate (DAC, preamp, and amp). I decided to go with it. Now, I'm probably going to get the Onkyo I recommended to you. You on the other hand took the opposite path and decided to go with a DAC due to your low budget but I don't blame you. I would have done it too if I only had around $100-$200. Anyways, I hope you enjoy the D1.
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I was in the same situation last month. When I first joined this forum, I didn't even know as much as I do now. I first decided to go with a sound card. After looking through some threads, I came across the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1. Heard it was great and heard a good external DAC can beat a sound card any day. That DAC for me was the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1. After that, FattyMcFatFatFatty (thank you. Now that I bring this up, I need to give you 1 rep) said I should get a used receiver on CraigsList which BillOhio did and said he was satisfied. Some other members reinforced the idea of getting a receiver and said it would be better than all the things separate (DAC, preamp, and amp). I decided to go with it. Now, I'm probably going to get the Onkyo I recommended to you. You on the other hand took the opposite path and decided to go with a DAC due to your low budget but I don't blame you. I would have done it too if I only had around $100-$200. Anyways, I hope you enjoy the D1.
Neither of the receivers you recommended me are out of my budget. I can always wait a little while longer and save for something that I will ultimately be happier with. But the are both reasonably priced, $260 for the Harman Kardon HK 3490 and $230 for the Onkyo TX-8555 (which seems similar to the Onkyo TX-8050 except lacks some of the XM radio etc features) on amazon. So I will keep those in my sights as I look for others, I am almost surely set on getting a receiver. The only thing I have for the Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 is the ability to switch over to tube-amped sound, but I don't even know if I like the tube sound anyways.
    
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Yeah. Good luck on your search! Just post here, make a new thread, or pm some people if you need help deciding or help finding one.

Edit-I recommended the TX-8050.
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