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Hey everyone, I've posted this question on the i7 Stability Club, but not many people look at it... So, I decided to make a post about this and see if anyone has ever come across this problem.

This is my first time overclocking, and I followed some newbie guides in order to do it. I eventually reached a overclock with temperatures I'm comfortable with at 4.6 GHz on 1.29v. I idle around 34 C and after running Prime95 had load temps max at 78 C.

I also overclocked my DRAM to 9-9-9-24-1T at 1.5v. The recommended settings for my G.SKILL Ram is 9-9-9-24-2T at 1.5v.

Now, I ran Prime95 for 12 hours first without any problems but my heat was a bit to high reaching over 80 C, so I decided to re-seat my heatsink and ran Prime95 again for another 8 hours. Once more I didn't come across any problems and had a stable temp of around 78 C.

Soon after, I installed League of Legends and started getting BSODs. Specifically "The bugcheck was: 0x0000001e (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000)." There was no mention of Vcore on the BSOD itself.

After searching, I posted on Anandtech because I had no idea this could possible be an overclocking issue and I got a bunch of trouble shooting suggestions. I've reinstalled my graphic drivers, I reinstalled the game itself 4 different times, and I've ran Memtest 86+ for 8 hours (9 Passes) without any errors. The Graphic Drivers update was the last thing I did, and it seemed to work for 2 days before I got the same BSOD again today.

League of Legends is a fairly low-end game with graphics equivalent to Warcraft III. I've been monitoring my temps on my GPU/CPU/MB while playing and none of them go more than 3 - 4 C above idle temps.

During this whole fiasco I've gotten the 0x000001e bug around 12 times and I also got a "The bugcheck was: 0x00000124 (0x0000000000000000, 0xfffffa800d9ee028, 0x00000000be200000, 0x000000000005110a)." once while playing. Also, now just a few hours ago, after turning my computer on I got a failure to overclock screen on BIOS. I increased my Vcore by .05 but decreased back to my Prime95 settings, because I wasn't sure if it was due to the computer being off for 3+ hours or an actual stability problem.

Now from what I understand both these BSODs can signify increasing Vcore when overclocking, but if this was an overclocking issue than wouldn't Prime95 have caught it in my 20 hours of testing? Especially since I haven't gone anywhere near 20% load since then? Could this be a corrupted OS install? My Vertex 3 will be arriving on Monday and I'd really like to sort this mess out before I install my new SSD. Its infuriating that my new system is giving me BSODs without telling me what the problem is.

Is this because my Vcore isn't enough? Should I bite the bullet and increase it by 0.005 or 0.01? Is it because I set my Command Rate at 1T, should I set it to 2T instead (Would Memtest 86+ and Prime95 Blend even pick it up if that was the issue)? Or did I actually manage to degrade my CPU with only 20-24 Hours of Prime95 Blend runs? I'd rather fix this without having to increase my Vcore because that'll mean running Prime95 again which puts more risk on degradation, but if its the only solution you overclocking veterans think will help, then I'll do it.

Sorry for the long post, but I thought it'd be easier if you guys have the history of whats been happening and what I've tried so far... Please Help!
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Which prime95 test did you run (blend, small fft, or large fft)?

Bluescreens can often be caused by bad memory, so run memtest86+ to check for errors.

If it passes, you should be able to narrow it down like this. First run small FFT for a few hours. If it passes, your CPU vcore should be okay. Then move onto blend. If blend test fails you probably need more VCCIO voltage (basically memory controller voltage). Sometimes you might need a little bump in CPU vcore to stabilize blend but this doesn't always happen.
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Which prime95 test did you run (blend, small fft, or large fft)?

Bluescreens can often be caused by bad memory, so run memtest86+ to check for errors.

If it passes, you should be able to narrow it down like this. First run small FFT for a few hours. If it passes, your CPU vcore should be okay. Then move onto blend. If blend test fails you probably need more VCCIO voltage (basically memory controller voltage). Sometimes you might need a little bump in CPU vcore to stabilize blend but this doesn't always happen.
I ran Memtest 86+ for 9 Passes without any errors. I also ran Prime95 Blend Mode for 12 Hours, than another 8 Hours. I wouldn't mind running it again with Small FFT, but I'm afraid it too many stress tests can cause CPU degradation... Thoughts?
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I ran Memtest 86+ for 9 Passes without any errors. I also ran Prime95 Blend Mode for 12 Hours, than another 8 Hours. I wouldn't mind running it again with Small FFT, but I'm afraid it too many stress tests can cause CPU degradation... Thoughts?
It's not going to degrade it. My 920 has probably seen over 250 passes of LinX, and 100+ hours of various prime95 testing not to mention what the previous owner might have done to it. The chip hasn't degraded at all and still needs the same amount of voltage to stabilize my clockspeed since I first dialed in my stable OC.

I would definitely run small FFT, it is by far the most rigorous test for just testing the CPU (whereas stuff like LinX and p95 blend test focus on CPU + memory + memory controller stability).
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What motherboard do you have?
Are you using loadline calibration?
What degree of LLC are you using?

Being prime stable and BSOD'ing in a game is a classic case of the vcore RISING at load, and rising more depending on the load level. So when you run an easy to run game like league of legends, there is very little stress on your CPU and it is only at light load, so the vcore might be too low for stability. While running Prime raises the vcore more. This only applies if you are using loadline calibration settings which RAISE the vcore at load. When the vcore rises by about 0.05v from idle to load, you are most vulnerable to crashes at LIGHT load (example: games that use only 1 cpu core or light calculations).

Raise the BIOS voltage and lower the LLC by a level or two if the LLC was rising at load (compared to idle), or, just raise the BIOS voltage.

Both assume you are already using loadline calibration. If you aren't, use it.

Try 0.02v higher on the BIOS voltage, for starters.

BTW there's a template on the profile page where you can fill in your system specifications.

BTW, every cpu is different.
One of my two 2600k's degraded by about 0.05v from repeated short prime runs at 5 ghz. C_N and Sin0022 have also seen degradation as well, from running stress testing at very high voltages. However, some cpu's will "break in" and degrade slightly when run at even low voltages, sometimes by as much as 0.02v a day, then they break in and settle. But they may degrade further at higher voltages.

EVERY CPU IS DIFFERENT. Some will degrade, some won't. Some may degrade a lot.
C_N's cpu (on xtremesystems) was originally able to boot windows at 5 ghz at 1.29v (!!), but on the very next boot, it required 1.31v, then later in the day, 1.33. It then stablized at 1.35v.

My low volt 2600k (my second one) has degraded about 0.015v-0.020, a lot less than my first one. But the first one was run at about 0.07 higher vcore (about 1.484v for 5 ghz at load when I last used the chip), while the lower volt one is happy at 1.416v load at 5 ghz. (was fine at 1.404v but saw some slight degradation), and 1.238v load for 4.5 ghz.
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What motherboard do you have?
Are you using loadline calibration?
What degree of LLC are you using?

Being prime stable and BSOD'ing in a game is a classic case of the vcore RISING at load, and rising more depending on the load level. So when you run an easy to run game like league of legends, there is very little stress on your CPU and it is only at light load, so the vcore might be too low for stability. While running Prime raises the vcore more. This only applies if you are using loadline calibration settings which RAISE the vcore at load. When the vcore rises by about 0.05v from idle to load, you are most vulnerable to crashes at LIGHT load (example: games that use only 1 cpu core or light calculations).
Well I just ran Prime95 Small FTT Stress Test overnight, for eight hours. It was at the same settings I ran Prime95 Blend for 20 Hours. No BSODs, No Freezing, and No Worker Failures what so ever. As far as the voltage being raised when idle, mine is the exact opposite!. I set my CPU at 4.6 GHz on 1.29v, when idle my settings at 1.6 GHz with a constant 1.296v. When under load, as shown in the picture below it runs at 4.6 GHz and the voltage actual hovers between 1.280v and 1.288v, never even hitting 1.29v.

My temps are stable, a lot better then they actual were when I ran Prime95 Blend. So I'm totally confused... Does this rule out it being a CPU issue?

My Motherboard is my Sig Rig below, as far as settings everything is a default (AUTO) except:

AI Overclock Tuner - Manual
Turbo Ratio By All Cores (Can Adjust In OS) - 46
Memory Frequency - 1600 MHz

CAS Latency - 9
RAS to CAS Delay - 9
RAS Pre Time - 9
RAS ACT Time - 24
DRAM Command Mode - 1T

CPU Voltage - Manual Mode
CPU Manual Voltage - 1.29v
DRAM Voltage - 1.5v

I haven't even touched VCCIO and VCCSA. I only followed a basic overclocking guide since I didn't go above 46 Multiplier and everything seemed to work out fine. Even now Prime95 Small FFT testing passed with flying colors! I'm so confused as to what this could be!
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DRAM Command Mode - 1T
that could be the problem. If its default is 2t and your running it 1t then it will more than likely cause instability issues. take it back down to stock.


EDIT:If your looking to tighten the timings I would suggest 8-8-8-24 2t with a slight increse in dram volts.
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that could be the problem. If its default is 2t and your running it 1t then it will more than likely cause instability issues. take it back down to stock.


EDIT:If your looking to tighten the timings I would suggest 8-8-8-24 2t with a slight increse in dram volts.
I thought that might be the problem but I wasn't sure, because like I said, nothing came up in Prime95 Blend or Memtest 86+. Would it even show anything if the Command Rate was unstable?

The only reason I even put it at 1T was because I heard it was significantly and noticeably faster than the 2T, otherwise I'd be fine with stock 9-9-9-24-2T. Especially if I can't tell the difference with 16GB of Ram.
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I thought that might be the problem but I wasn't sure, because like I said, nothing came up in Prime95 Blend or Memtest 86+. Would it even show anything if the Command Rate was unstable?

The only reason I even put it at 1T was because I heard it was significantly and noticeably faster than the 2T, otherwise I'd be fine with stock 9-9-9-24-2T. Especially if I can't tell the difference with 16GB of Ram.
run it 2t and see if you continue to get bsods.
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0x101 = increase vcore
0x124 = increase/decrease vcore or QPI/VTT...have to test to see which one it is
0x0A = unstable RAM/IMC, increase QPI first, if that doesn't work increase vcore
0x1E = increase vcore
0x3B = increase vcore
0xD1 = QPI/VTT, increase/decrease as necessary
0x9C = QPI/VTT most likely, but increasing vcore has helped in some instances
0x50 = RAM timings/Frequency or uncore multi unstable, increase RAM voltage or adjust QPI/VTT, or lower uncore if you're higher than 2x
0x116 = Low IOH (NB) voltage, GPU issue (most common when running multi-GPU/overclocking GPU)
0X00000109 << Not enough or too Much memory voltage
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