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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity View Post
I suggest you treat others with the respect they deserve.

I explained why I disagree with the explanation on wiki. If you'd paid attention, you'd also see I'm disagreeing with Brett.
Actually, PI, although we've had our disagreements in the past, I suspect this is probably not one of those cases.

Ever since a couple days ago when I had the audacity to challenge FD's immense wealth of knowledge on subject of Microstutter (which we now come to find out that he'd never even heard of until two days ago, and now he thinks he's an expert ), he has been going around obsessively mis-representing what I said to him in the conversation.

If you look upthread, you'll find I linked four threads, going back well over a year, wherein I contributed information on Microstutter. I invite you to review my contributions there, and ascertain whether or not we have an ACTUAL disagreement, or whether perhaps you just disagree with FD's misrepresentation of what I said. I strongly suspect you'll find it's the latter

I NEVER told this, uh, gentleman, that microstutter cannot occur at ANY framerate. I never told him that HE doesn't have microstutter at 400fps. On the contrary, I told him that he MAY have it. I don't know.

What I said exactly, was this:

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9845...l#post13038786

Microstutter is a real phenomenon, however it only happens in some games + it's only perceptible at low FPS. So while in these cases a single card setup will appear smoother at 30fps vs. multi-gpu, once you get up into the ranges that one normally wants to play at (i.e. 60fps) it's effect becomes imperceptible.

And then later in the thread, I said this:

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9845...l#post13065387

AFA microstutter goes, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you cannot see the microstutter at 300fps. Maybe you can. But it's generally accepted (and my personal experience confirms) that it's primarily noticeable at lower FPS.

There's a difference between 'perceptible', and 'measureable'. It is potentially measurable at any FPS, and I've never said it wasn't.

But yet he has persistently and obsessively trumpeted around a LIE about what I told him for the past two days, in a feeble and unbelievably immature attempt to get under my skin.

In fact, his whole point in starting this thread was to try to get other OCN members to back him up in order to 'win' this little debate. Unfortunately, all he's arguing with is a straw-man that he's fabricated and tried to attribute to me.

My backing for my assertion that microstutter is only noticeable at lower FPS is, apart from my own observations based on having run multi-gpu for the past couple years, on about 10 different setups (whilst knowing about the phenomenon the entire time), is a quote from conclusion of the following article, which is arguably the most detailed and conclusive article on microstutter on the web:

Micro-Stuttering
It does, in the strictest sense, exist. It can be a true deterrent from a good gameplay experience ... however, the cases when that happens are already plainly bad: you need to be performance choked in order for the bulk of inter-frame deltas to shift towards being greater than 25 ms, which is the truly obnoxious zone. So, technically, if you're at 20 FPS due to rendering constraints, and not some sort of framerate cap, on a dual-GPU solution, micro-stuttering will be a big problem, but being at 20 FPS is a far greater problem in itself. Where would a single GPU solution be? Low teens? We'd like to reiterate that, if you're in that zone with a high-end single-GPU, going multi-GPU won't save you: don't do it, you'll just frustrate yourself. <snip> We've seen that once performance is good, it becomes a non-issue.

Again, I suggest everyone on OCN takes anything the OP says with a grain of salt. The entire purpose of this thread is to try find people that disagree with brettjv (even if in order to do so, he has to make up lies about what I've said) so he can feel like he's 'won' our little debate. He's completely obsessed with me ever since I had the gall to tell him Saturday that he was wrong about something.

He's also done the same thing on this thread, regarding another subject we were debating:
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9879...force-sli.html

My advice to everyone is to avoid this FnkDctr troll at all costs. If you DARE to disagree with his preconceived notions (or make the mistake of debating him in any way), you could be the next victim of an all-out, multi-day troll-fest, as I have been.

EDIT:

Oh, and by the way, FD ... you remember the article that you keep telling everyone that they need to 'go read' so they can be as 'up' on microstutter as you are (the one you just read like 2 days ago, and which I read over 2 years ago)?

You remember the one, it's up in your OP?

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...gies/Practice/

How about we take a look at what this article has to say?

Hmmm ... what is this it says?

"This behavior is primarily critical at low frame rates, such as the aforementioned 30 Fps. The less Fps, the greater the possible intervals between them and a regular distribution gets even more important"


Notice how your article really doesn't contradict what I said to you originally, the statement you've repeatedly twisted in a feeble and obsessive attempt to ridicule me about like 20 times over the past 2 days ... including starting this very thread for the purpose of continuing your harassment of me, to whit:

"Microstutter is a real phenomenon, however it only happens in some games + it's only perceptible at low FPS. So while in these cases a single card setup will appear smoother at 30fps vs. multi-gpu, once you get up into the ranges that one normally wants to play at (i.e. 60fps) it's effect becomes imperceptible."

All I can say is ... you are a real piece of work dude
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Please remove, accidental double post ...
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Originally Posted by FnkDctr View Post
You must be a brett fan lol. You couldnt be more wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_stuttering

I would suggest try reading about the topic before you make a post about it
Wiki is such a poor citation.

We should scour the internet and find something much better with research to back it up. Someone had to record video examples somewhere. I think that would really help for everyone to see video examples.

Have you recorded yours yet?

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I didnt have any micro stutter on my socket 939 rig, just when I switched out my mobo, cpu and ram for a 1366 setup. Then it became terriiible.
This was why I asked about your exact specifications several pages ago. SLI works in old very well but not in new. Has to be a new hardware conflict or a software change. Something should fix your issue since it worked pretty well before.

Second time asking, but did you keep the card in the same position when you installed them into the new board? Switching the position of the cards could be something different than when they were in the old board.
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FnkDctr, if Brett is so wrong, then how come YOU don't know the answer? I mean, the only way you can know for a fact that someone is wrong is if you yourself know the answer to the question you are asking.

He's providing a lot of detailed information. I suggest you take 30 minutes and read it all over, and over, and over.

My other suggestion: If your SLI 8800GT's are providing you so much grief that you need to take it out on people who are trying to help you, buy a single GTX 460 1gb. Or quit trying to run 1st Generation SLI on a nearly 5 year old system.
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This is almost as enjoyable as the $1000 shot-out rampage thread
Almost.
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This is almost as enjoyable as the $1000 shot-out rampage thread
Almost.
I know, right?

It's like going to a car dealership where the OP is looking for a brand new Mustang, and when the salesman shows him one, he goes "No, that's an Escort. I want a Mustang".

No matter how much documentation the salesman will show, or even the "Mustang" writing on the car, or even after a test drive, he'll still believe it's an Escort.

It's quite sad really. I feel bad for these people... sometimes.
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More drama is forthcoming.....

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OP.......you are sooo not worth helping,im not going to contribute to this...instead props to the few who are trying to help but getting it thrown back at them....

i mean,if you KNOW so much why are you asking for help?
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OP.......you are sooo not worth helping,im not going to contribute to this...instead props to the few who are trying to help but getting it thrown back at them....

i mean,if you KNOW so much why are you asking for help?
My thoughts exactly. He did this in another thread too that closed. Hopefully this one will too.
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i mean,if you KNOW so much why are you asking for help?
Gettin trolled man....
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