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Also, saw the deal on amazon.com earlier and said "includes full manufacturer warranty."

I realize some people can get picky about all of this stuff myself included but, I think most people don't care so long as it looks new and comes with warranty.

And being entirely honest here.. after working retail for a while.. I've learned that whether or not you realize it.. a lot of products are "open box" and sold as "new" especially if they aren't vacuum sealed..

I'm sure it's more common than I experienced, but my retail experience never allowed for a previously-owned item to hit the floor without a blatant open box label and a discounted price. But yes, many open box items are arguably brand new. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Xyxyll;13089108 
I'm sure it's more common than I experienced, but my retail experience never allowed for a previously-owned item to hit the floor without a blatant open box label and a discounted price. But yes, many open box items are arguably brand new. thumb.gif

Not saying I am proud of that fact or anything but, seen it happen more than it should have..

Then again I do think there is some difference between "open box" and "used".. I mean even if they are synonyms we often forget synonyms by definition are not the exact same..

At any rate the fact that it comes with manufacturer warranty puts my mind at rest and the "like new" status isn't taken too lightly for me either..

Also keep in mind that most of my "open box" experiences are more customer comes in and wants to see an item we open let them look at it then box it back up.

Most used items got RMA'd with a few exceptions but, a lot of customers would flip (pointlessly) over "open box" items..

Some people get a little too..... excited over open b ox items..if its a good deal great.. if not find business elsewhere.

Either way, I figure ppl here would probably appreciate such a deal.
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post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Snow_Fox;13089257 
Not saying I am proud of that fact or anything but, seen it happen more than it should have..

Then again I do think there is some difference between "open box" and "used".. I mean even if they are synonyms we often forget synonyms by definition are not the exact same..

At any rate the fact that it comes with manufacturer warranty puts my mind at rest and the "like new" status isn't taken too lightly for me either..

Also keep in mind that most of my "open box" experiences are more customer comes in and wants to see an item we open let them look at it then box it back up.

Most used items got RMA'd with a few exceptions but, a lot of customers would flip (pointlessly) over "open box" items..

Some people get a little too..... excited over open b ox items..if its a good deal great.. if not find business elsewhere.

Either way, I figure ppl here would probably appreciate such a deal.
Oh I'm not knocking the deal by any means. I'm simply specifying that it is an open item, which many people want to know when they're reviewing online deals at Overclock.net.

Getting back to the subject at hand... if the AD700s and HD598s were hypothetically the same price, which is the better set of cans?
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I would think an enthusiast website of all places would understand upgrading is a never ending process..

Unlike some headphones.. they don't require an amp to run at all.. so what the hell is wrong with getting them, seeing how they work and then adding on later?

Because they don't sound nearly as good as they're priced if you don't get a sound card.
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Because they don't sound nearly as good as they're priced if you don't get a sound card.

That may be so, but it would be ludicrous to suggest someone upgrade his/her sound card before buying a set of speakers/headphones. What's the value in a nice sound card if you have nothing to drive?
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thats a can of worms I don't care to open rolleyes.gif

But, in all seriousness I've read the hd 598's can be a bit 'punchy' so I am hoping they are a little more rounded than the AD700's.
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Because they don't sound nearly as good as they're priced if you don't get a sound card.

And an I7 won't deliver nearly as many FPS with integrated graphics as a much lower end processor coupled with a hardcore GPU.

That doesn't mean there isn't reason to get the I7 first.

Particularly if you are going to have to upgrade your mobo soon anyway and other reasons..

Is it going to sound nearly as good? no.

That doesn't mean you just never upgrade.

if I never planned on getting a sound card your logic may be justified but, seriously I am not the first person to upgrade over the span of several purchases instead of all at once.

And whats the point of buying a cheaper set of headphones just to have to turn around and upgrade them when I can afford an amp/sound card?

Short term maybe not the best purchase but, long term there is nothing wrong with it and I am saving money by not getting something I have no intention of keeping..
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post #17 of 21
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That may be so, but it would be ludicrous to suggest someone upgrade his/her sound card before buying a set of speakers/headphones. What's the value in a nice sound card if you have nothing to drive?

Right. I typically do it at the same time. I'd say getting a decent headphone without upgrading the source is relatively synonymous with keeping an GeForce 8800GT while upgrading to Sandy Bridge. It'll hold you back a substantially if you don't get a sound card or otherwise.
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Right. I typically do it at the same time. I'd say getting a decent headphone without upgrading the source is relatively synonymous with keeping an GeForce 8800GT while upgrading to Sandy Bridge. It'll hold you back a substantially if you don't get a sound card or otherwise.

I agree that a purchaser of nice headphones or speakers NEEDS to get a nice soundcard, but it's definitely not a "buy both now or not at all" type of deal. Using your same analogy, yes, your gaming will be severely held back by the 8800GT, but your overall experience with your computer is still improved. smile.gif
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Right. I typically do it at the same time. I'd say getting a decent headphone without upgrading the source is relatively synonymous with keeping an GeForce 8800GT while upgrading to Sandy Bridge. It'll hold you back a substantially if you don't get a sound card or otherwise.

Yes that doesn't mean its entirely a bad idea either.

Sure the 8800 is lacking today.

However, while your on the fence about graphics cards..

EXAMPLE: waiting to see if fermi is going to reduce the price of 5870 was a real world scenerio for me...

Its not entirely a bad idea to just stick with the 8800 while you see how things are going to weather out..

So waiting out a month or two with decent albeit not cutting edge graphics can potentially save you a lot of money..

And while the headphones may be held back, they are probably still going to be a major improvement over plantronics 377s I currently have..

ENough to justify the upgrade but, not enough to justify cost.

So then, later I can justify the cost by adding on..
Edited by Snow_Fox - 4/11/11 at 4:43pm
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Consider reading some reviews/comparisons at headfonia.com

http://www.headfonia.com/old-and-new-hd555-hd558-hd598/3/

http://www.headfonia.com/hd600-and-hd598-comparison/

http://www.headfonia.com/sennheisers-new-hd558-and-hd598/

My recommendation is that they will sound much better on a dedicated (DAC+AMP)/Soundcard (e.g. Essence STX, Xonar DX) They sound much better when amped though. I tried them with my iPod touch 2g and they sounded bit muddy and two dimensional. As with STX, they sound clearer, airier, fuller, brighter and the bass is quiet punchy when the impedance level changed from ~64ohm to 64~300ohm. In addition, increasing 30hz, 60hz +12db the bass becomes quiet apparent, muffles the mids a bit, but that's expected with every headphone.

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Edited by voxox - 4/12/11 at 8:28am
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