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Firmware 2.02 240gb bought second week the drive came out and 0 problems so far. It worries me a bit so many are having problems although most seem tied to 2.06.
The write performance definitely goes down a lot the more I fill up the drive so I have 20gb unpartitioned and 30gb free space now though.
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Firmware 2.02 240gb bought second week the drive came out and 0 problems so far. It worries me a bit so many are having problems although most seem tied to 2.06.
The write performance definitely goes down a lot the more I fill up the drive so I have 20gb unpartitioned and 30gb free space now though.
Great!
For your sake, keep firmware version 2.02 for now!
Regarding the unpartitioned space, I asked OCZ staff on their forums and they said that for the Vertex 3, this isn't needed. They recommended I partition the SSD fully in one partition and just use it as there should be no performance degradation. Now, I haven't measured anything so I have no idea whether or not they're correct. If you're benchmarking to measure the performance before and after installing lots of things, be aware that the act of benchmarking alone can cause performance issues, at least for a while (or so I hear it lasts "a while").
    
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I myself don't worry too much about writes anyways I have all my temp files on 4gb of RAMdrive anyways . My read speeds even when I had only 10gb left of space were still 500+ it's just my write speeds that dipped under 100mb/s. Yes I do have hotplug+ahci enabled and the storage driver and all that jazz.
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Also note that benchmarking tends to write A LOT of data to the SSD VERY quickly. What you end up doing is basically slowing down your SSD, at least for a while. Best benchmarking practice is to use the SSD purely as a secondary drive (not for the OS), benchmark to your heart's content and then Secure Erase to clean it up prior to using it as a boot drive.

Good info there! I'm trying to learn about SSD's and get up the courage to buy one or two. This thread hasn't really helped me in the courage department.
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Good info there! I'm trying to learn about SSD's and get up the courage to buy one or two. This thread hasn't really helped me in the courage department.
Hahaha, fair enough, sorry about that!
It's good to be made aware of the reality of things, though, right?
OCZ state (and I don't know how true this is, or how they're calculated it!!) that about 1% of Vertex 3 SSD users are experiencing these current problems. To be honest, I think that statistic fits the saying "70% of statistics are invented on the spot without any research"...
Mainly because though they can check how many they've sold to suppliers, they don't know how many are in customers' hands. They also don't know how many have firmware 2.02 and 2.06 (2.06 being the prominent problematic version) and they also aren't providing any proof with how this "1%" was calculated. As a scientist, I say that if there's no proof for your numbers, there's no point in quoting them.

So the fact of the matter is that if you buy an OCZ Vertex 3 SSD and it comes with 2.02 firmware, you should be safe as long as you don't upgrade to 2.06. If it comes with 2.06 or you make the mistake of upgrading to 2.06 now, you *might* be in for it. If however you buy an OCZ Vertex 2E SSD or any SSD from any other of OCZ's competitors (Intel, Corsair, Crucial, etc), then you are probably safe as well. Having said that, though, Corsair are reporting similar problems with their Force 3 SSDs as OCZ have with their Vertex 3 SSDs, mainly because they use the same SandForce controller and thus the same (or very similar) firmware. This is why SandForce is the one mainly looking into the problem, more so than Corsair and OCZ.

Compared to even the fastest HDD, though, any decent SSD (today's new SATA-III ones are stupid-fast) will blow your mind and in my opinion are well worth the money.
    
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Great!
For your sake, keep firmware version 2.02 for now!
Regarding the unpartitioned space, I asked OCZ staff on their forums and they said that for the Vertex 3, this isn't needed. They recommended I partition the SSD fully in one partition and just use it as there should be no performance degradation. Now, I haven't measured anything so I have no idea whether or not they're correct. If you're benchmarking to measure the performance before and after installing lots of things, be aware that the act of benchmarking alone can cause performance issues, at least for a while (or so I hear it lasts "a while").
You really give very valuable info!! Thanks so much. So are you saying that after we benchmark, Secure Erash and install OS, we should not do anymore benchmark? I have just installed all my apps and now I will have to start all over again

How can the problem go away after a "while" automatically??
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You really give very valuable info!! Thanks so much. So are you saying that after we benchmark, Secure Erash and install OS, we should not do anymore benchmark? I have just installed all my apps and now I will have to start all over again

How can the problem go away after a "while" automatically??
Hehe, no problem!
The best suggestion out there does seem to be to only benchmark an SSD as a secondary drive and to Secure Erase prior to using it as intended. The idea that the problem goes away after a while seems to be that after several days, the SSD garbage collection takes care of all the crap data the benchmark wrote to it. It can take several days depending on how much was written. That's as far as what OCZ have said. You could either wait a week or so for your SSD to "get its life back" (if you notice it) and if you think it's still a bit too slow, Secure Erase.

Perhaps given that the benchmark data isn't data that would be copied over again if you make an image, you could make an image, Secure Erase and restore the image. It would take you significantly less time and since you don't report as having any problems beyond speed, it could very well do the trick. If it doesn't, try a Secure Erase and fresh install, which takes more time but at least you're sure that you have to at this point.
    
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try a Secure Erase and fresh install, which takes more time but at least you're sure that you have to at this point.
After reading all the posts it seems that it is better to have a HDD ready with OS and application just in case we need to wipe out the primary SSD. I have to have my PC running all the time, so I can't afford a downtime.

What is your recommendaiton for creating an image of the OS drive? Can we save that in a secondary drive?

Another aspect I am thinking is that I put a slow 500GB SATA II drive also in the pc. Would that by any chance can slow the boot process?
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After reading all the posts it seems that it is better to have a HDD ready with OS and application just in case we need to wipe out the primary SSD. I have to have my PC running all the time, so I can't afford a downtime.

What is your recommendaiton for creating an image of the OS drive? Can we save that in a secondary drive?

Another aspect I am thinking is that I put a slow 500GB SATA II drive also in the pc. Would that by any chance can slow the boot process?
For creating an image of an OS drive, one tends to format the drive nicely, install the OS, all the drivers and then the programs you know you'll want. There's no point in bloating it with games, for example. Once you're happy that all is configured, you can create the image to another drive, yes. In fact, it's better if you just store the image somewhere else, to restore from another drive whenever you need/want to. As for specific software, I'm sorry but I don't know this - I don't really use images (I just do fresh installs, time-consuming as they are). I kind of like that overly clean feeling of a fresh install!
I believe Windows 7 has integrated software for images. It must be a backup utility so if it does, it should be easy to find within Windows 7.

A slow HDD can certainly slow things down more than "necessary". I used to have a pretty slow 500GB SATA-II HDD and the difference from that to my Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA-III HDD is quite noticeable. Not so much due to SATA-III interface (since HDDs cannot generally take advantage of even SATA-II speeds, let alone SATA-III speeds), but due to the 64MB cache this HDD has as well as other design features Western Digital put into their Caviar Black series. Of course, there are better HDDs (Western Digital Velociraptor, namely), but they tend to be significantly more pricey. A slow storage HDD would be good for general backups and perhaps to store your OS drive image(s), though!
    
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(I just do fresh installs, time-consuming as they are). I kind of like that overly clean feeling of a fresh install!
I right there with you on that one!
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