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If there will be 6core ivy bridge cpu's,I dont think the 6core model will work with lga1155 socket,
so,if u need extra core,
get:
cpu- i7 970
mobo- asus rampageIII formula
Its a very nice 6core build,
hope this helps to clear out your confusion
Perfect sense. Thanks!!


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Perfect sense. Thanks!!


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do remember to get 3x4gb/6x2gb ram so as to run them in triple channel,
for x58 build get corsair dominator GT 2000mhz ram insted of corsair vengeance (better for sandy bridge)
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One final idea and question.

I was thinking if I am going with a LGA1366 processor, I might get a server board for dual sockets.

Do server boards support SLI? It doesn't specify on the spec descriptions for the boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813182176


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I just wonder if a 1366 board like that only works with Xeons, which would make the price of the build triple...
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One final idea and question.

I was thinking if I am going with a LGA1366 processor, I might get a server board for dual sockets.

Do server boards support SLI? It doesn't specify on the spec descriptions for the boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813182176


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no they dont, if you want dual socket and sli you need an SR-2

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One final idea and question.

I was thinking if I am going with a LGA1366 processor, I might get a server board for dual sockets.

Do server boards support SLI? It doesn't specify on the spec descriptions for the boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813182176


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If u need to run a server setup then u better get intel xeon cpu's,
i7 has only 1 QPI bus so u cant run 2x i7 on a server board,
xeon has 2 QPI bus so u can run 2x xeon cpu on a server board,
yes,
server board support sli but dont get the mobo u listed,
get:
evga sr2 classified
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Having read through this thread:
--Server boards do not SLI, but you can run more than one GPU in non-SLI which won't help as much. The SR2 WILL SLI (but will require a more specific case as it's not a normal size).
--Server boards (i.e. dual socket motherboards) can run a normal i7 - but only 1. If you ever want to add a second CPU you'd have to REPLACE the i7 with a pair of Xeons. Interestingly though, dual-socket boards will allow you to run only one CPU, so you can buy the board to run two and only populate one socket now (with a Xeon processor so you're not throwing it out later), and buy another CPU later, but they have to be VERY similar (for all intents and purposes they need to be the exact same chip).
--For an x58 rig, make sure you're RAM is in multiples of three, if you're looking at Sandy Bridge it's dual-channel only. x58 is currently still the best for multi-threaded applications and will retain that title until Q3 this year when socket 2011 is coming out. Socket 2011 is going to launch with 6 and 8 core processors (multi threading to 12/16 cores) and utilize quad-channel RAM.
--DO NOT buy a 590, they are poor reliability due to a design flaw.
--DO NOT buy ATI because some of the programs you listed specifically run much better on NVIDIA GPUs.
--Ignoring price, a single Quadro GPU WILL outperform a single GeForce GPU in some of those applications, but at a much higher cost. SLI'd 580's are going to give you the best performance for your money (the two 580's outperform a single comparably priced quadro).
--DO NOT rely on a single MLC SSD for your OS drive (and I'm assuming you're porting the 4TB from your old computer). Use a RAID 5 of smaller drives to get the same storage, better performance and much better reliability.

Parts I'd recommend:
--For the boot drive: three of these in a RAID5 using the motherboard's onboard RAID controller: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227529 this will give better performance, the same total storage as the single drive you linked, and IF/WHEN you have a drive fail (MLC SSDs fail at a higher rate than traditional HDDs do), you can actually keep on working, just replace the failed drive in the array and regain redundancy in case of another drive failure in the future. Run them in SATA2 ports on the board as they will saturate a SATA2 port perfectly and RAIDs on SATA3 ports are still buggy.
--For the motherboard:
For a normal i7 build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188065
For a dual-socket build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-070-_-Product
The PSU for the SR-2 if you go this route: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-003-_-Product
--CPUs to use:
i7-970: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6&Tpk=i7%20970
Xeon (one or two for the SR2): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117242 this is a 6-core, 12-thread CPU and you can run either one or two in the SR2 board, but there is no point to buying this CPU if you're not doing a dual-socket motherboard.
--Heat Sink Fan:
Single Socket: get the Corsair H50 or H70 they are very effective and pretty silent. They come with everything you need and the thermal compound that comes on it is really high quality.
Dual Socket: you'll want to stick with air cooling in general because it's hard to get two H50's to mount in one case easily and nicely without having to mod the case. I'll point you here: http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm they didn't include socket 1366 in their reviews but if you look up the individual heat sinks a lot of those are compatible with them. I point you here so you can look at real testing data instead of people's anecdotal "I bought the biggest cooler I could find and strapped four 130cfm 38mm fans to it and it's teh bestzors, you should buy it" This is a workstation build, it should be built using practical hardware.
--Graphics Card: Although I'm a big fan of EVGA cards for their lifetime warranty and good support, I'd recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127579 as an alternative. It will run MUCH cooler than the EVGA card does, but it's *only* a 3 year warranty. I won't say that one is preferable to the other, just giving you something to think about here. Longer warranty vs running cooler and quieter. And MSI support is very helpful also.
--Memory: I would recommend doing 3x4GB sticks of RAM, then it's easier/cheaper to add more later as needed. The RAM you linked is again aimed at overclockers, you can save yourself a lot of money and buy something more practical.
Single Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231408 instead. Higher speed at stock settings, lifetime warranty (just like Corsair) and good support. I'm a dedicated G.Skill user because they are consistently high quality, high performance and low cost.
Dual Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220423 still a 3x4GB kit, but has ECC for increased reliability for a workstation/dual-cpu environment. Yes this is a little slower than normal RAM, but MUCH more reliable in operation.
If I missed anything or you have any other specific questions, I'll be glad to help. You have to be careful who you take advice from on overclocking forums because a lot of people aren't used to building a workstation because it is not the same as building a gaming PC.
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Originally Posted by CTRLurself [Knyte Custom] View Post
Having read through this thread:
--Server boards do not SLI, but you can run more than one GPU in non-SLI which won't help as much. The SR2 WILL SLI (but will require a more specific case as it's not a normal size).
--Server boards (i.e. dual socket motherboards) can run a normal i7 - but only 1. If you ever want to add a second CPU you'd have to REPLACE the i7 with a pair of Xeons. Interestingly though, dual-socket boards will allow you to run only one CPU, so you can buy the board to run two and only populate one socket now (with a Xeon processor so you're not throwing it out later), and buy another CPU later, but they have to be VERY similar (for all intents and purposes they need to be the exact same chip).
--For an x58 rig, make sure you're RAM is in multiples of three, if you're looking at Sandy Bridge it's dual-channel only. x58 is currently still the best for multi-threaded applications and will retain that title until Q3 this year when socket 2011 is coming out. Socket 2011 is going to launch with 6 and 8 core processors (multi threading to 12/16 cores) and utilize quad-channel RAM.
--DO NOT buy a 590, they are poor reliability due to a design flaw.
--DO NOT buy ATI because some of the programs you listed specifically run much better on NVIDIA GPUs.
--Ignoring price, a single Quadro GPU WILL outperform a single GeForce GPU in some of those applications, but at a much higher cost. SLI'd 580's are going to give you the best performance for your money (the two 580's outperform a single comparably priced quadro).
--DO NOT rely on a single MLC SSD for your OS drive (and I'm assuming you're porting the 4TB from your old computer). Use a RAID 5 of smaller drives to get the same storage, better performance and much better reliability.

Parts I'd recommend:
--For the boot drive: three of these in a RAID5 using the motherboard's onboard RAID controller: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227529 this will give better performance, the same total storage as the single drive you linked, and IF/WHEN you have a drive fail (MLC SSDs fail at a higher rate than traditional HDDs do), you can actually keep on working, just replace the failed drive in the array and regain redundancy in case of another drive failure in the future. Run them in SATA2 ports on the board as they will saturate a SATA2 port perfectly and RAIDs on SATA3 ports are still buggy.
--For the motherboard:
For a normal i7 build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188065
For a dual-socket build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-070-_-Product
The PSU for the SR-2 if you go this route: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-003-_-Product
--CPUs to use:
i7-970: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6&Tpk=i7%20970
Xeon (one or two for the SR2): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117242 this is a 6-core, 12-thread CPU and you can run either one or two in the SR2 board, but there is no point to buying this CPU if you're not doing a dual-socket motherboard.
--Heat Sink Fan:
Single Socket: get the Corsair H50 or H70 they are very effective and pretty silent. They come with everything you need and the thermal compound that comes on it is really high quality.
Dual Socket: you'll want to stick with air cooling in general because it's hard to get two H50's to mount in one case easily and nicely without having to mod the case. I'll point you here: http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm they didn't include socket 1366 in their reviews but if you look up the individual heat sinks a lot of those are compatible with them. I point you here so you can look at real testing data instead of people's anecdotal "I bought the biggest cooler I could find and strapped four 130cfm 38mm fans to it and it's teh bestzors, you should buy it" This is a workstation build, it should be built using practical hardware.
--Graphics Card: Although I'm a big fan of EVGA cards for their lifetime warranty and good support, I'd recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127579 as an alternative. It will run MUCH cooler than the EVGA card does, but it's *only* a 3 year warranty. I won't say that one is preferable to the other, just giving you something to think about here. Longer warranty vs running cooler and quieter. And MSI support is very helpful also.
--Memory: I would recommend doing 3x4GB sticks of RAM, then it's easier/cheaper to add more later as needed. The RAM you linked is again aimed at overclockers, you can save yourself a lot of money and buy something more practical.
Single Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231408 instead. Higher speed at stock settings, lifetime warranty (just like Corsair) and good support. I'm a dedicated G.Skill user because they are consistently high quality, high performance and low cost.
Dual Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220423 still a 3x4GB kit, but has ECC for increased reliability for a workstation/dual-cpu environment. Yes this is a little slower than normal RAM, but MUCH more reliable in operation.
If I missed anything or you have any other specific questions, I'll be glad to help. You have to be careful who you take advice from on overclocking forums because a lot of people aren't used to building a workstation because it is not the same as building a gaming PC.
very good advice i actually use my pc properly! lol, modelling + rendering animations in maya, road kill, zbrush, nuke, udk etc so sorta the same boat. though i do like games
     
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Nice CTRLurself, that's the kinda info we were looking for! Thanks!
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Having read through this thread:
--Server boards do not SLI, but you can run more than one GPU in non-SLI which won't help as much. The SR2 WILL SLI (but will require a more specific case as it's not a normal size).
--Server boards (i.e. dual socket motherboards) can run a normal i7 - but only 1. If you ever want to add a second CPU you'd have to REPLACE the i7 with a pair of Xeons. Interestingly though, dual-socket boards will allow you to run only one CPU, so you can buy the board to run two and only populate one socket now (with a Xeon processor so you're not throwing it out later), and buy another CPU later, but they have to be VERY similar (for all intents and purposes they need to be the exact same chip).
--For an x58 rig, make sure you're RAM is in multiples of three, if you're looking at Sandy Bridge it's dual-channel only. x58 is currently still the best for multi-threaded applications and will retain that title until Q3 this year when socket 2011 is coming out. Socket 2011 is going to launch with 6 and 8 core processors (multi threading to 12/16 cores) and utilize quad-channel RAM.
--DO NOT buy a 590, they are poor reliability due to a design flaw.
--DO NOT buy ATI because some of the programs you listed specifically run much better on NVIDIA GPUs.
--Ignoring price, a single Quadro GPU WILL outperform a single GeForce GPU in some of those applications, but at a much higher cost. SLI'd 580's are going to give you the best performance for your money (the two 580's outperform a single comparably priced quadro).
--DO NOT rely on a single MLC SSD for your OS drive (and I'm assuming you're porting the 4TB from your old computer). Use a RAID 5 of smaller drives to get the same storage, better performance and much better reliability.

Parts I'd recommend:
--For the boot drive: three of these in a RAID5 using the motherboard's onboard RAID controller: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227529 this will give better performance, the same total storage as the single drive you linked, and IF/WHEN you have a drive fail (MLC SSDs fail at a higher rate than traditional HDDs do), you can actually keep on working, just replace the failed drive in the array and regain redundancy in case of another drive failure in the future. Run them in SATA2 ports on the board as they will saturate a SATA2 port perfectly and RAIDs on SATA3 ports are still buggy.
--For the motherboard:
For a normal i7 build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188065
For a dual-socket build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-070-_-Product
The PSU for the SR-2 if you go this route: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-003-_-Product
--CPUs to use:
i7-970: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6&Tpk=i7%20970
Xeon (one or two for the SR2): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117242 this is a 6-core, 12-thread CPU and you can run either one or two in the SR2 board, but there is no point to buying this CPU if you're not doing a dual-socket motherboard.
--Heat Sink Fan:
Single Socket: get the Corsair H50 or H70 they are very effective and pretty silent. They come with everything you need and the thermal compound that comes on it is really high quality.
Dual Socket: you'll want to stick with air cooling in general because it's hard to get two H50's to mount in one case easily and nicely without having to mod the case. I'll point you here: http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm they didn't include socket 1366 in their reviews but if you look up the individual heat sinks a lot of those are compatible with them. I point you here so you can look at real testing data instead of people's anecdotal "I bought the biggest cooler I could find and strapped four 130cfm 38mm fans to it and it's teh bestzors, you should buy it" This is a workstation build, it should be built using practical hardware.
--Graphics Card: Although I'm a big fan of EVGA cards for their lifetime warranty and good support, I'd recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127579 as an alternative. It will run MUCH cooler than the EVGA card does, but it's *only* a 3 year warranty. I won't say that one is preferable to the other, just giving you something to think about here. Longer warranty vs running cooler and quieter. And MSI support is very helpful also.
--Memory: I would recommend doing 3x4GB sticks of RAM, then it's easier/cheaper to add more later as needed. The RAM you linked is again aimed at overclockers, you can save yourself a lot of money and buy something more practical.
Single Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231408 instead. Higher speed at stock settings, lifetime warranty (just like Corsair) and good support. I'm a dedicated G.Skill user because they are consistently high quality, high performance and low cost.
Dual Socket: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220423 still a 3x4GB kit, but has ECC for increased reliability for a workstation/dual-cpu environment. Yes this is a little slower than normal RAM, but MUCH more reliable in operation.
If I missed anything or you have any other specific questions, I'll be glad to help. You have to be careful who you take advice from on overclocking forums because a lot of people aren't used to building a workstation because it is not the same as building a gaming PC.
Wow !! Thanks for setting me straight. Most of this confirms my current choices. This is the second time someone has mentioned the Corsair H50 or H70 coolers. I think I'll try it over my standard Zalman Heatsink I've been accustomed to.

I am thinking the cost for two more cores by going dual socket is not worth the amount of money. The i7 970 is the way to go for me. I will likely grab 6x4GB of RAM. It might be overkill for this build but I'd rather be safe.

I have also been extremely happy with my EVGA GTX 8800's, but the cooling is an issue so I will likely go with the MSI's for that reason alone.

The only part that stands out as troublesome is the boot drive configuration. My current boot drive (standard SATA HD) holds about 80 GB of data. It looks like on this board the EVGA X58 FTW3 has 6x SATA 2 ports. I guess I could run these three SSD's then 1 2TB Storage (archival), then 2x 1TB production drives. Now that I've walked through it seems like a fit. I have not done RAID setups before, but I can't imagine its too difficult. If someone has a recommended link for this kind of a RAID please post it. I am trying to wrap my head around how 3 100GB SSD's in RAID would give me 200GB of drive space. I would think it would be a more secure way of running 100GB.

I really appreciate this breakdown. This helps a lot !!


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