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    Windows 7
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post #51 of 133
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Plan to keep using XP for now...well at least for the next 3 to 4 months then I'll try out 7 but I might try to hold out even longer since Windows 8 is in the works. Ha! Might be able to skip 7 and buy 8 instead
I just looked at you rig and.... you have no idea of what you are doing... your incoming HD6970 has 2GB of VRAM which has to be mapped into the 4GB of RAM. This is all because of 32-bit Windows. If you had Windows 7 64-bit, you wouldn't have that problem.

The result ? Your 4GB of RAM will turn into 2GB of usable RAM (or even less, since there are other PC components that also need address space), since the other 2GB are being used as adressing space for the VRAM.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/12/11 at 7:54pm
 
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post #53 of 133
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I just looked at you rig and.... you have no idea of what you are doing... your incoming HD6970 has 2GB of VRAM which has to be mapped into the 4GB of RAM. This is all because of 32-bit Windows. If you had Windows 7 64-bit, you wouldn't have that problem.
Really? And you don't know me Bro, I'm very aware of the limitations of my OS with my current setup. As of now, I can care less about DirectX 11 games (there are not enough that I like for me to upgrade). I'll eventually buy 7 and will probably end up having a dual boot setup. For the type of work I do, I have several programs that will not operate properly when using 7. I'm in no hurry but if I see that I need to, then I will
Edited by drBlahMan - 4/12/11 at 8:13pm
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I like Server 2008 R2 over 7 because it has all the bloat removed. (Games like chess and solitare, UAE, etc). Also I have not been locked out of one thing yet while using this OS and not to mention it's 100% free if your a student.

Only bad thing about this OS so far is that when installing some applications, like Kaspersky and ATI drivers, you have to modify the installer to remove the OS check as Server 2008 R2 isn't supported.

Comparing to XP that I used previously, Server 2008 R2 only uses about 100 to 150Mb more ram with aero on. It's also 64bit only, supports DirectX 10 and 11, and has generic drivers for my wifi card. I made the switch and havn't looked back, not even a little bit.
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Neither, Windows ME 2000!!!!
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post #56 of 133
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Really? And you don't know me Bro, I'm very aware of the limitations of my OS with my current setup. As of now, I can care less about DirectX 11 games (there are not enough that I like for me to upgrade). I'll eventually buy 7 and will probably end up having a dual boot setup. For the type of work I do, I have several programs that will not operate properly when using 7. I'm in no hurry but if I see that I need to, then I will
Who said anything about DX11 ?

I'm talking about RAM adressing. Your incoming HD6970 has 2GB of VRAM, whose mapping will eat right through your usable RAM. You can be playing DX9 for all it's worth, the problem is exactly the same and has nothing to do with which version of DX/games you're using/playing.

In fact, you won't be able to use more than 2Gb of RAM in everything, not only in games.

You will end up with 2GB or even less of usable RAM. That means your 4GB of DDR3 1600 are essentially 2GB or less...

FYI, I could notice a big difference going from 2GB to 4GB even using a Radeon HD4670 512MB GDDR3 in my Media Center. Crysis Warhead was stuttering at times at 720p will all Medium Settings, and after the upgrade to 4GB of system RAM, I could even up the Shaders to Gamer (High) settings and have higher overall fps, even during high action scenes.

If you use your PC for other things other than gaming, that requires a High-end videocard AND that requires little RAM to work well, then it's ok, but I'm really curious to know what that is. And I'm not being ironic, I'm really curious.

If you have applications that don't work well with Windows 7, you might go for the Professional or Ultimate version of 7, as those include a copy of Windows XP, no dual boot needed. Unless you're talking about applications that use Direct 3D, in which case a dual boot setup is preferable/necessary.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/12/11 at 8:57pm
 
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post #57 of 133
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Who said anything about DX11 ?

I'm talking about RAM adressing. Your incoming HD6970 has 2GB of VRAM, whose mapping will eat right through you usable RAM. You can be playing DX9 for all it's worth, the problem is exactly the same and has nothing to do with which version of DX/games you're using/playing.

In fact, you won't be able to use more than 2Gb of RAM in everything, not only in games.

You will end up with 2GB or even less of usable RAM. That means your 4GB of DDR3 1600 are essentially 2GB or less...

FYI, I could notice a big difference going from 2GB to 4GB even using a Radeon HD4670 512MB GDDR3 in my Media Center. Crysis Warhead was stuttering at times at 720p will all Medium Settings, and after the upgrade to 4GB I could even up the Shaders to Gamer (High) settings and have higher overall fps, even during high action scenes.

If you use your PC for other things than gaming, that requires a High-end videocard AND that requires little RAM to work well, then it's ok, but I'm really curious to know what that is. And I'm not being ironic, I'm really curious.
Did you not read carefully what I had stated?

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I'm very aware of the limitations of my OS with my current setup.
I'm upgrading from a SLI setup using GTX 460 2gb, using a resolution of 1680x1050 (HD compliant). Never had a problem when using high settings when gaming (including Crysis/Crysis Warhead). Also, I had stated that when I feel the need to upgrade to 7, then I will.

Autocad 2002/2006, 3D Studio Max 7 and a few other work-related programs do not function properly with 7. How do I know? Cuz we had to upgrade to Autocad 10 & 3D Studio Max 10 in our office (we're using 7).
Edited by drBlahMan - 4/12/11 at 9:08pm
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Really? And you don't know me Bro, I'm very aware of the limitations of my OS with my current setup. As of now, I can care less about DirectX 11 games (there are not enough that I like for me to upgrade). I'll eventually buy 7 and will probably end up having a dual boot setup. For the type of work I do, I have several programs that will not operate properly when using 7. I'm in no hurry but if I see that I need to, then I will
It's quite unnecessary to italicize, color and bold every couple of words. Also, I believe you mean 'I couldn't care less' not 'I could care less'. Anyways, as stated above, get Win7 Pro x64 when the time comes and use XP Mode.
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Did you not read carefully what I had stated?
Yes I did, but after that sentence you quoted, you went on talking about DirectX 11 games, of which I hadn't mentioned a single thing, so...

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I'm upgrading from a SLI setup using GTX 460 2gb, using a resolution of 1680x1050. Never had a problem when using high settings when gaming. Also, I had stated that when I feel the need to upgrade to 7, then I will.

Autocad 2002/2006, 3D Studio Max 7 and a few other work-related programs do not function properly with 7. How do I know? Cuz we had to upgrade to Autocad 10 & 3D Studio Max 10 in our office.

Well, in gaming you are wasting RAM, and depending on the game, you're going to be feeling it. Maybe you just play stuff like Left 2 Dead, which doesn't need much RAM, if that is the case then it's ok, but there are games coming out that need more than 2GB. FYI, Crysis Warhead at 720p with Medium Settings uses 1.3GB of RAM all to itself, measured it using Devmode.

Remember that 2GB of usable RAM also has to store all other programs (AV, etc) and Windows processes, which leaves less than 2GB for the game itself, meaning it will acess the HDD a lot more, making things slower.


As to the programs you use, well, the new versions will surely use all the RAM they can get. The (minimum) system requiremens for AutoCAD 10 are already at 2GB of RAM, so... if you can get those to work at home too, you'll probably see a big boost in performance.
Edited by tpi2007 - 4/12/11 at 9:17pm
 
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