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Agreed, but I don't think its for us to decided what is and isn't important to another person. I think its our job to show what it is and isn't and for them to decided if it does or doesn't matter to them.

The question was, "Is there a bottleneck".

The answer is yes, let us show you where, and how much, and here is how it will affect you. Based on that information they can make a decision on if they feel they need to address the issue, or let it go as not mattering.
I'm not disputing anything you're saying about the whole bottleneck thing, the trouble is if you really want to educate people then peaching forever in every thread you find isn't the way to do it. You're putting people off who might otherwise agree with you. It's the same as tl/dr. People just see another balla bottleneck post "he'll be ranting again about how good SB is and how rubbish AMD is, skip to next post".

It's the same when two or more people get into their own pedantic debate that go's on for page after page (like the AM3+ socket debates of late), you get to point where you stop reading, they would've had more impact by just writing one or maybe two concise answers, and just leaving it. Because the one's who don't want to know will not listen anyway, and the ones who can be persuaded will be put off by the bickering.
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You're probably right, but I get called out a lot and feel the need to "back it up".

Perhaps I'll lay low for a bit.
    
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Average is kinda meaningless, at least to me.

Avg min fps (and how often the lows occur) is what really matters, I wish more review sites would take note.
Agreed. It would be better to have benches with that important bit of data too.
 
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Aright dudes .. I read most of this.


I digged up This !

As well as This ! (- pretty awesome article too).


I hope it's helpful and may answer some questions. Even though it's not 100% what you're arguing about.
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No it's not. You're making a comparison that doesn't make any sense.

What I compared was the Phenom II to the Core 2 Quad, both of which top out at the same overclock - at around 4 Ghz, like you said.

And then to make it clear in the gaming department I even added a few other CPU's, like the i5 750, i7 950 and finally the i5 2500k. The result is that in gaming the Core 2 Quad is better than a similar clocked Phenom II; the i5/i7 from the first generation don't improve this by much, if at all (although they can generally overclock a little better - not worth changing platform though), and the i5 2500k shows appreciable gains, even at stock.

Now what does that have to do with what you just said ?
it was an indirect reference to Balla's posts. But it appears he gets the point now.
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I digged up This !
To tell you the truth I'm not sure what I think of that review.

I do know Metro will use a lot of cores, perhaps that explains it. Though I question their usage of the built in fps tracking which seemingly has odd results when it comes to min fps.

Here is what I got with their settings at the lower two reses.





Another interesting tidbit from that review are these results:



It seems it went from not bad at all to epic fail in the span of the few seconds it took to load another game up.
    
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ok :/ i thought my scores were normal till i saw damrick's single gpu score with a 6850, it's higher than my 560.. Which was p4523 lol..http://i54.tinypic.com/vb0v6.jpg


Damrics got 6 cores vs 4, isn't 3D mark 11 multithreaded?

So your score is fine for a Phenom II X4



I'd love to see P6000 though like Balla, so yes SB is tempting, because it feels as though a part of my card is being wasted at the moment. I can't see, with all the best wishes, BD getting higher scores than SB either.
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I would honestly only recommend SB if you can sell your 1090T for around $160-$170 and get back a decent amount on your mobo... And if you were thinking about sli'ing your 470 with another used one off OCN (there was one going for $165 yesterday).

Yah, 3DMark 11 is multi-threaded, so is 3DMark Vantage (the cpu tests anyways).

Perhaps wait until Bulldozer/IB come out, there will probably be a few people looking to unload their i5/i7 SB chips to try out either Bulldozer, or get the high end Intel socket.


Once I get my board fixed and running dual channel again and a second waterblock here pretty quick I'll toss you some better results, my system sometimes bogs itself down I think waiting on the slow single channel ram to deliver info.
    
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I had sli twice before, and both times it left me feeling I would rather have a single more powerfull card - even for a slight performance loss, though it seems games/cards scale better now, but there is still always that sli driver compatability doubt.

And I wouldn't sli 470's, I can't be arsed to water cool everything, and one air cooled 470 (at load) sounds like I got it cheap from Cape Canaveral.

As for SB, you've got my vote, everytime anyone mentions new cpu's that's all I recommend, especially the i5 2500K. Whilst it's all tempting, I still probably won't upgrade for another year at least (but don't quote me!), see whats about then.

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You're probably right, but I get called out a lot and feel the need to "back it up".

Perhaps I'll lay low for a bit.
You know, I often read things on here, and I think wth! So I start typing, or look on google to prove some point, and 8 times out of 10, I end thinking what's the point? You don't have to lay low, just go with flow.
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To tell you the truth I'm not sure what I think of that review.

I do know Metro will use a lot of cores, perhaps that explains it. Though I question their usage of the built in fps tracking which seemingly has odd results when it comes to min fps.

Here is what I got with their settings at the lower two reses.



You are using two GTX 470's OC'ed pretty high, while he's using one GTX 580. I'd say the results fit fine ..


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Another interesting tidbit from that review are these results:



It seems it went from not bad at all to epic fail in the span of the few seconds it took to load another game up.
Indeed, it does perform bad. But honestly, besides WoW Cataclysm, I did not discover other games with this "issue".
Also, the hexacores AMD tends to perform worse in games than quadcores like the PII x4 955.


My point is, AMD's high end quadcores doesn't slow down the GPU much, if anything at all (unless you buy let's say 2x GTX 580's, I don't not know the benchmarks with a PII 970 or likewise). Even though the Sandy Brigde CPU's are way better.
AMD's hexacore line does have pretty strange numbers in games, though.



Also, you overlooked my other link. In that, my point is more clear.
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