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Hmm, so many theories. Could these be co-incidence. This is what i mean when i said no one knows much about the error. So many people get it, yet so many people have different symtoms (circumstances). Somethings work for some and not for others.

From my understanding I thought it was just a MSI problem, sadly i know its not. This is making me want to upgrade to an intel... <shudder>
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This is making me want to upgrade to an intel... <shudder>
The performance of Sandy Bridge is making me want to upgrade to Intel.
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The performance of Sandy Bridge is making me want to upgrade to Intel.
Agreed. 5Ghz is pretty appealing.
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still haven't fixed this bollocks :/ sucks eh.
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I'm just now getting the same problem on my year old desktop. Athlon II X3 440, MSI 790X-G45 mobo, XFX 5850, WinXP. Happens when I'm playing BC2 (only game I play right now) after about 15 minutes. Even happens with everything set to stock voltages / clocks.

My theory is the CPU or something on the mobo is simply getting too hot. Seems a bit coincidental that it just starts to happen when it's summer now and I don't really turn on the AC. I've ordered some 110 CFM Scythe case fans, and a non-stock (Xigmatek Loki) CPU cooler. If temperature is the cause, I'll know for sure with this.

I'm also logging my GPU temps right now to see if it's getting crazy hot for some reason (I recently replaced the TIM with Ceramique), but I doubt that's the problem.

Stuff I've already tried:

Upping all voltages (CPU, CPU-NB, NB/SB/HT)
CPU-NB clock > HT clock.
Going back to stock (manual stock, not auto stock)
Underclocking RAM.
Loosening RAM timings.
HPET = Disabled.
PCI Latency = 128.
Replace TIM on northbridge cooler.
Edited by dr/owned - 5/1/11 at 1:54am
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I'm just now getting the same problem on my year old desktop. Athlon II X3 440, MSI 790X-G45 mobo, XFX 5850, WinXP. Happens when I'm playing BC2 (only game I play right now) after about 15 minutes. Even happens with everything set to stock voltages / clocks.

My theory is the CPU or something on the mobo is simply getting too hot. Seems a bit coincidental that it just starts to happen when it's summer now and I don't really turn on the AC. I've ordered some 110 CFM Scythe case fans, and a non-stock (Xigmatek Loki) CPU cooler. If temperature is the cause, I'll know for sure with this.

I'm also logging my GPU temps right now to see if it's getting crazy hot for some reason (I recently replaced the TIM with Ceramique), but I doubt that's the problem.

Stuff I've already tried:

Upping all voltages (CPU, CPU-NB, NB/SB/HT)
CPU-NB clock > HT clock.
Going back to stock (manual stock, not auto stock)
Underclocking RAM.
Loosening RAM timings.
HPET = Disabled.
PCI Latency = 128.
Replace TIM on northbridge cooler.
I thought the same thing at first, but after water cooling the cpu and general mods to get better gpu temps i still get them

Although i got my first BSOD the other day, haven't had one before, might be something completely unrelated though.
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For a Tri-core?

The absolute MAX you would try is 1.375, unless you want some blown fets.
yeah ok sure *pats on head lightly*

I can get 1.584v 24/7 4.1Ghz on my board just fine. No mosfet overheating, heck they only go up a few degrees.

@OP HT-Link error = instability
So up RAM voltage OR lower it (lowering it helped me before lol)
Up the Vcore/NB voltage/check your temps/is your GPU overclock 100% stable too?
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@OP HT-Link error = instability
So up RAM voltage OR lower it (lowering it helped me before lol)
Up the Vcore/NB voltage/check your temps/is your GPU overclock 100% stable too?
This is a long list of everything I've done.
1. Used different CPU.
2. Upped voltage to current CPU.
3. Upped voltage to RAM.
4. Used 1600MHz RAM underclocked to 1333.
5. Used different motherboard.
6. Used different PSU.
7. Changed drivers from 11.2 to 11.3 to 11.4 preview.
8. Upped GPU voltage
I did all of that with the 6850 installed and crashed every time.
I have also used a 4670 instead of the 6850 and didn't crash. The only thing I haven't changed is the HDD and ODD.
I also tried shutting down several programs and was able to play for a couple hours with no crashes.
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I just got done playing BC2 for about an hour with no crashes. Finally got to see the end of a Rush match. Unfortunately I didn't do my troubleshooting scientifically so it could be one of a few things:

1.-Sapphire TriXX wasn't running. I've been *recently* playing with it to see if it could unlock my XFX's locked voltage. It couldn't.

2.-MSI Afterburner was running...logging. The highest GPU temp it recorded was about 75 C at 90+% load, 30% fan speed. This isn't particularly alarming since I've seen 80 C before.

3.-I had my AC running (78F-ish ambient) and the side panel of my computer off. So it's possible the internal case temp was lower than before.

4.-HT link is way underclocked at about 1900 mhz. NB is 2160 mhz.

5.-Finally it could have just been a coincidence that it didn't crash.

6.-My voltages were up in the "extreme" category. I doubt this is it though since I've been running before on lower voltages just fine.

From here I'm going to play with my overclocks a bit to see if I can eliminate 4. being the cause. In other words, turn everything back up and put the voltages to typical levels that have worked before. Next, install new fans / cooler on Wed. to eliminate 3. Next, get rid of TriXX since it doesn't do anything Afterburner can't and I've used Afterburner for a year without problems.

Speaking of Temps being a problem, I don't think it's GPU or CPU then. Perhaps NB temp or some other misc. component on the mobo simply got too hot. I'd even be willing to bet the RAM sticks got too hot with a hot CPU blowing heat on them. Overclocked + volted RAM + stock AMD cooler blowing heat outwards =? HT sync flood.

PS - I know the RAM voltage shouldn't be any lower than it is. If it goes any lower than I get typical hard reboots w/o flood error until I go up to 1.59 V. And the highest I can go on my CPU is 1.44 V. In practice that translates to about 1.5 V which is the max I'm going to go on this CPU.

Code:
Voodoo Solutions Mentioned in other interwebz posts that haven't worked (for me or others):

HPET = Disable
PCI Latency 64->128.
RMA CPU.
NB clock > HT clock.
Up voltages.
Underclock RAM ( I went down to 1100 and still happened).
Flash BIOS to latest version.

Edited by dr/owned - 5/1/11 at 5:04am
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Update: Got done playing another hour of BC2 with no crashes. Quite a few hyper-intense fights lagged the computer hard and would otherwise have triggered a crash. The problem is *not* related to voltage, HT/NB clocks, RAM clocks/volts/timings, GPU temperature, or CPU clocks/volts.

-Voltages are in the typical range as they've been prior to getting the flood error.
-HT and NB both 1:1 clocked at 2270 mhz.
-RAM is at 1550 mhz (from 1333) and CPU is at 3.55 ghz (from 3.0).
These are the typical overclocks I've been able to get before.
-GPU was again set to 30% fan fixed and reached 75 C peak during testing (as before), so GPU temperature is not a factor. It's remotely possible that some component on the GPU PCB other than the gpu itself is getting too hot. Unstable GPU overclocks also don't trigger a flood error but trigger a normal hard reboot.


The only remaining possibilities for "what has changed" from now to the past two days when I was getting the error:


-Case temp is much lower than it was earlier. I've had my windows open overnight and ambient temperature is in the 75 F range instead of 85 F range.

-Sapphire TriXX was to blame (extrapolate to other GPU software).

-MSI Afterburner was only GPU tool running. The GPU clocks were not throttling unlike with TriXX where they PowerNow bounce from 125->750 etc.

-GPU VRMs or memory that I haven't been watching are getting too hot (lower case temp fixed this?). I was recently futzing with the VRM thermal pad so maybe I messed it up, but this is doubtful.


Where to go from here:

I'll close up my case and leave the AC off again, and leave everything else on my system the same. It won't get really hot here until Tuesday though, so I might not be able to keep the ambient temp up. If the crashes start again then we know for a fact it's a temperature related problem. I'll then turn on a **** load of temperature logging software so every component will be watched and we can find out which one it is.
Edited by dr/owned - 5/1/11 at 6:25am
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