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Originally Posted by Capwn View Post
When Nvidia die shrinks and refines, you kids scream " REBRAND REBRAND REBRAND"
AMD does it and you kids scream, " Its justified, it will be wayy faster, GJ AMD "

Double standard if I ever saw one.
NVIDIA did rebrand by taking old GPU's and putting new stickers on them (well, almost). 9800 GT was an G92 8800 GT with some new features. The GTS 250 was a shorter 9800 GTX+.

I don't know as much about AMD rebrands, but I don't remember any obvious rebrands from AMD since HD 4000 besides HD 6700, but they were pretty open about that and those cards are OEM only.
Edited by B!0HaZard - 4/13/11 at 8:27am
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post #32 of 70
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NVIDIA did rebrand by taking old GPU's and putting new stickers on them (well, almost). 9800 GT was an G92 8800 GT with some new features. The GTS 250 was a shorter 9800 GTX+.

I don't know as much about ATI rebrands, but I don't remember any obvious rebrands from ATI since HD 4000 besides HD 6700, but they were pretty open about that and those cards are OEM only.
(Well Almost) That pretty much sums it up! Bring some real proof,lets face it both companys are in it to make money thats the bottom line.
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(Well Almost) That pretty much sums it up! Bring some real proof,lets face it both companys are in it to make money thats the bottom line.
By "almost" I meant that features were added (like Hybrid SLI for the 9800 GT), but GPU's and performance didn't change. NVIDIA actually originally stated themselves that the only difference between the 9800 GTX+ and the 250 GTS was the BIOS, but later made the PCB shorter and added more RAM. The 9800 GTX+ was a 9800 GTX with higher clock speed and the 9800 GTX was a G92 8800 GTS with higher clock speeds. Yup, that's 1 card rebranded 3 times with slightly different clock speeds. Ok, I admit that they used a G92b for the later cards, but performance didn't change.

And you haven't proven AMD does the same thing.

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(Well Almost) That pretty much sums it up! Bring some real proof,lets face it both companys are in it to make money thats the bottom line.
Almost what? Not really sure what you want by real proof?

8800gt=9800gt some of them were on the same fab die shrink later same performance
9800gtx=250 gts again some were the exact same fab die shrink later same performance
430gt=440gt with different clocks
420gt=520gt except they cut the bandwidth on the 520 to 64bit from 128bit (no difference with performance)
8800gs=9600gso exact same on every level

Need i keep going.

As far as ATI/AMD they rebranded the 5750 and the 5770 to the 6750 and 6770 for OEM ONLY. These cards were and will never be available for consumer purchase from retailers. They also told us upfront what they were even though they would not be available to us.

There is quite a difference between the two companies when it comes to rebadging cards and selling them.
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No one seems to mention the may be 40 % cheaper manufacturing cost of the new 28 nm proses, that is the most important isn't it? Unless AMD keep the difference of cause. Intel just keep the profit from CPU die shrinks due to lack of competition. Just enhancing the top GPU by multiplying the design by 3 make updating the driver allot easier.
Edited by G woodlogger - 4/13/11 at 10:29am
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2xxx/3xxx wasn't that bad!
after proper drivers came out and after it was past its production lifespan.
at least in respect to the 2000 series. 3000 series was competitive from day 1.
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FUD should never be seen as "news".
     
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I highly doubt this...over a year of development and only a die shrink...yeah, no.
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There is no such thing as "only" a die shrink. Going from 40nm to 28nm can add much more performance. If they squeeze more shaders in and up the clock it could do very well.
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I'm simply sick of seeing people acting as though Ivy will be some massive improvement from Sandy, we're yet to see how much higher it will clock and the differences from everything else will either be small when you overclock or good but only in a few years anyway.
Ivy will have 6 and 8 core variants so it will be an improvement for those that use heavily threaded applications. The IPC likely won't increase by more then 5-10% if even that though. Even if it doesn't clock much higher it will still run cooler at lower volts which is always nice as well.
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