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post #51 of 70
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Originally Posted by answ3r;13111931 
I highly doubt this...over a year of development and only a die shrink...yeah, no.

Probably some optimizations but I doubt it'll be an entirely new architecture. As it is Antilles already has some interesting stuff
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post #52 of 70
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Originally Posted by geoxile View Post
Probably some optimizations but I doubt it'll be an entirely new architecture. As it is Antilles already has some interesting stuff
The 6000 series is suppose to be the transition between the archs?
post #53 of 70
Die shrink = better OCing and less heat. What's not to like?
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I think I won't waste my time with these interim steps - I'll wait for a proper solution, like Trinidad...
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Originally Posted by scyy View Post
Ivy will have 6 and 8 core variants so it will be an improvement for those that use heavily threaded applications. The IPC likely won't increase by more then 5-10% if even that though. Even if it doesn't clock much higher it will still run cooler at lower volts which is always nice as well.
Yeah, I'm meaning the people who assume it'll have a 30% IPC gain.
And keep in mind it seems like most of this forum would be fine with a dual core with HT, let alone an octocore with HT.

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Originally Posted by OutlawII View Post
Blah Blah BLAH! This will be a die shrink for AMD or a rebrand however u want to look at it,just dont get so butthurt over it.
Actually, the only news we've had of Southern Islands just being a die-shrink is from rumors, when everyone else says that the other half of the architecture that was meant to be here with Northern Islands. (VLIW4)
    
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If the price is right, i'll pick one up. I don't really care if there's a change in architecture so long as the performance keeps increasing at a given price range.
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Similar to HD2000->HD3000?
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Improve the IMC? Improve the tessellation engine even more? They could do quite a bit, and I'm just saying what has already been said.
It needs a new part number because it's a new process. But I wouldn't be handing TMSC or anybody anything new at all. Uncore helps the tesselation problems but let's face it. They are just being sensible. Tesselation isn't going to exist in any market for quite some time. It has to be worked on and efforted but there's no race to win here. Unless you want to have a smoking vrm benchmark showdown.
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post #59 of 70
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It needs a new part number because it's a new process. But I wouldn't be handing TMSC or anybody anything new at all. Uncore helps the tesselation problems but let's face it. They are just being sensible. Tesselation isn't going to exist in any market for quite some time. It has to be worked on and efforted but there's no race to win here. Unless you want to have a smoking vrm benchmark showdown.
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I beg to differ. ME probably was.
post #60 of 70
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Originally Posted by Arni90 View Post
(40/28)^2 = 2.05
There's no way they can die-shrink from 40 nm to 28 nm. I'm guessing they will add more shaders like earlier posted.
Would the 6970 die as it is now be big enough for a 256bit memory bus after 28 nm?
You do realize thats exactly what a die-shrink is supposed to do right?
Die-Shrink makes it possible to put more Shaders into the chip using the same die size and power consumption, don't need a new architecture for that..

Anyway, I can't imagine Southern Island to be just a die shrink without a new architecture, especially when looking at the fact, that nVidia is making a new architecture with Kepler.

Performance gain wouldn't be that overwhelming. Considering 28nm is a cut down of 30% on the 40nm process, I'd say roughly 30% more shaders and thus 30% performance gain which would outperform a GTX 580 just by a mere 15% in case of the 6970.
And that would be pretty weak considering the fact that these are most likely not going to come out before 2012.

If it's not gonna be a new architecture, they'll at least do some optimizations I guess.
Edited by toX0rz - 4/14/11 at 2:29am
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