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Alright so I've been researching this build for a while now, and I've come here to get everybody opinion/help on it.

I would like to keep this under $4000 <-- I already hate spending this much



Case - NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146068
[$139.99]



CPU - AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103913
[$229.99]



Motherboard - ASUS Crosshair IV Extreme AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131667
[$309.99]



PSU - CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Certified 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139014
[$279.99]



GPU - XFX HD-699A-ENF9 Radeon HD 6990 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-529-_-Product
[$734.99]

Note: 2x 6970 perform a little bit better than one 6990, but the price for 2x 6970 is more than the 6990


RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233143
[$229.99]


HDD - Seagate Barracuda St320005N1A1AS-RK 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148636
[$174.98 x2]


Optical Drive - LITE-ON Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner 12X Blu-ray Burner with Blu-ray 3D feature Model iHBS112 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tem=27-106-346
[$109.99]


Monitor - ASUS VE278Q Black 27" 1920x1080 2ms Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 300 cd/m2 ASCR 10,000,000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236103
[$329.99]


Keyboard - Logitech G510 Black 18 Function Keys USB Wired Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823126100
[$109.99]



Joystick - Saitek X52 USB Flight Control System
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826102507
[$92.99]

Rudder Pedals:
Saitek PZ35 Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-003-_-Product
[$114.99]


TrackIR:
TrackIR 5
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir5/
[$149.95]

=Cooling=



CPU - EK-Supreme HF
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/bl...upreme-hf.html
[€59.94]



GPU - EK-FC6990 Acetal + Nickel Need screws etc...
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ek...al-nickel.html
[€124.96]

Pump - Swiftech MCP655 12 VDC Pump Liquid Cooling System
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-082-_-Product
[$79.99]


Radiator - Swiftech MCR220-QP Liquid Cooler Radiator
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-086-_-Product
[$44.99]


Reservoir - MCRES Micro Rev2
http://www.swiftech.com/mcresmicrorev2reservoir.aspx
[$25.95]

Coolant - Blue
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=489
[$14.99]



Main concerns:
Is one radiator enough for a GPU and CPU?
Will the radiator fit in the case?
Is everything compatible?
Is there a cheaper, better version of what I have listed?
How exactly to I test the loop outside the case?


Highly appreciate it. Surely this is the right thread..
post #2 of 43
A few suggestions: I don't have any on the watercooling as I don't have [much] experience with water cooling other than an H50 and a swiftech setup - [also not sure of the use of this computer, I'm assuming its for a gaming build?]
1. I would go with a Sandy Bridge Setup - it might be a couple $$ more but will be well worth the money as it will by far out perform any Phenom II setup - also 6 cores are fairly useless right now unless this is as an encoding / video editing setup, in which I would go with a 1366 i7 960 setup.
2. 16GB of memory are going to be useless, unless again its a video editing setup
3. Unless you plan on going Quad Fire (2x 6990) then the 1200W PSU will be overkill - you can get away with a good quality 800 or 900W
4. I'd stay away from Seagate, for 2TB $175 each is pretty pricy, grab a WD or Samsung
5. From what I do know, a radiator that size is going to be WAY too small for cooling your CPU and GPU, You would need something like a 480 radiator minimum, that 6990 is going to make tremendous amounts of heat.

Here would be my build:
Intel Core i7 2600K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor - $370?
Asus P8P67 Deluxe R3 - $240
CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 [Incase you decide to go QuadFire] $279.99
XFX HD-699A-ENF9 Radeon HD 6990 $734.99
Crucial Ballistix 4GB DDR3-1600 - $62.99
WD Caviar Green 2TB (2X) - $79.99 (each)
Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB - $119
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK $139.99
LITE-ON Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner $109.99

The rest of the peripherals I would keep - just without the water cooling - try everything out, if you decide you still want to go with it, then go for it I think it would be a lot more powerful configuration that what you currently have planned!
Edited by appleg33k85 - 4/12/11 at 6:04am
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post #3 of 43
1200W PSU and 16GB is beyond overkill for the components listed. Save some money and downgrade both. You could get by with a 750W PSU.

Don't use coolant -- you'll just gunk up your lines and blocks. Distilled water and PT Nuke/Silver Killcoill will do best.

If you need 4TB then you need 4TB I guess, LOL.

If you're thinking of doing any overclocking I'd get something better than the radiator you have listed. A 6990 and a CPU would do great on a 360 me thinks. For the same price you could get a RS360.
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wait for BD
post #5 of 43
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Originally Posted by bowmanvmi View Post
1200W PSU and 16GB is beyond overkill for the components listed. Save some money and downgrade both. You could get by with a 750W PSU.

Don't use coolant -- you'll just gunk up your lines and blocks. Distilled water and PT Nuke/Silver Killcoill will do best.

If you need 4TB then you need 4TB I guess, LOL.

If you're thinking of doing any overclocking I'd get something better than the radiator you have listed. A 6990 and a CPU would do great on a 360 me thinks. For the same price you could get a RS360.

750W PSU, np, I'll get that instead. I'll take your advice on the distilled water. 4TB...yes I do want that, if anything I'll build a small NAS/Firewall/IDS with them...some other time

RS360, this?:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12..._Kit-_HOT.html

Thanks everybody
Edited by stealth. - 4/12/11 at 6:19am
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see above edit for suggestions
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post #7 of 43
If you're spending that much....go w/ intel 2600k. (and you'll have no regrets!)
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Samsung EVO 500GB SSD Seagate Barracuda 3TB LG WH14NS40 BD Rewriter Samsung SH-S223Q 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H100i Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Samsung UN43KU7500 43" Curved 4K LCD Motospeed Mechanical 
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Samsung EVO 500GB SSD Seagate Barracuda 3TB LG WH14NS40 BD Rewriter Samsung SH-S223Q 
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Corsair H100i Windows 10 x64 Enterprise Samsung UN43KU7500 43" Curved 4K LCD Motospeed Mechanical 
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Originally Posted by stealth. View Post
750W PSU, np, I'll get that intead. I'll take your advice on the distilled water. 4TB...yes I do want that, if anything I'll build a small NAS/Firewall/IDS.

RS360, this?:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12..._Kit-_HOT.html

Thanks everybody
also about the crossfire 6970s being better than 1 6990 the 6990s have switches that can be used to make them full fledged 6970 clocks
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post #9 of 43
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Originally Posted by appleg33k85 View Post
The rest of the peripherals I would keep - just without the water cooling - try everything out, if you decide you still want to go with it, then go for it I think it would be a lot more powerful configuration that what you currently have planned!
I changed from 1200W PSU to a 850W one. (Thanks for keeping it real)
I saved $140

So don't go with watercooling? (I mean how loud is the 6990, and do you think it is prone to overheating) I do like the whole idea of watercooling and I would like to do some overclocking.

Its going to be a all around computer. From C++/Python to Blender to Linux, to Music/Media to Gaming.
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Wow, I mean, the way you built it would be awesome, but I would spend that money alot differently.

You really should consider 2600k over the 1100T. With a good water setup, you may hit 5+ GHz easily and at low voltage while staying cool. They are faster and better all around. But, it does come at a price! You can scale back your system board and still have everything you need and plenty of oc headroom with quality VRM/Power. UD4, UD5, Asus Pro... ect.

Add a SSD as a boot drive. Big Big change. C300 (fairly budget friendly) on SATA 6.0 will get you 375MB/s read speeds versus 100 or so on a spinning drive. That is the one thing I would not ignore and could not do without when spending this much money.

Love the case. Stick with it.

Don't need a 1200 watt PSU. I love my 750 AX but, this is where you could shave a lot of cost that can be re-distributed towards other stuff.

The video card.... This may be the biggest blunder of your system or it could be the monitor choice. I am torn on spending so much. Latest greatest just seems like such a price vs performance rip off. Single card is better than SLI/Crossfire in terms of driver support and it working optimally. Pick the best one for under $400? $300? Let me expand on this. Your monitor is going to refresh at 60 Hz, so FPS above that is a non-factor unless you are going to pair this card with a monitor at 120Hz, it makes no sense.

Memory: 16gb is overkill. But, if you switch to 2600k, you can put DDR3 2200 in it! Ponder that thought intensly! 8gb is plenty. Heck even 4gb is plenty.

Nice keyboard, joystick, and pedals. How far are you going to sit away from the monitor?

I cannot help you with the water setup.
 
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