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You are, however, saying that value RAM doesn't break more often than performance RAM and that performance RAM has a higher chance of not performing to spec. At least that's how I interpret your last post.
Correct... I said "I would argue". However, I did not make the statement saying that value RAM will definitely break more often than performance RAM. I clearly did not say it present my opinion as a fact (in which you did with yours).

My reason is that vast majority of RAM is sold via OEMs. OEMs qualify components since they know that RMA/tech support will cost them much more in the end.

Futhermore, value RAM follow JEDEC specifications. The RAM coming from the manufacturer meets the official requirements back by extensive testing. Then companies go and bin the RAM to get better performing modules. These tests can never be as good as the production process tests and they attempting to find modules that perform outside of specs.
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The RAM he gets is not Value RAM its lifetime. That's the name. We do pretty good for low end PC. What got my boss to get the G.skill http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231321

Is I told him to ask the timings of the RAM. They said 7. I was like. Ok good start buts whats the rest? They said IDK. So I was like. Umm.. I think it would be best to go with G.skill.

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post #23 of 27
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Correct... I said "I would argue". However, I did not make the statement saying that value RAM will definitely break more often than performance RAM. I clearly did not say it present my opinion as a fact (in which you did with yours).

My reason is that vast majority of RAM is sold via OEMs. OEMs qualify components since they know that RMA/tech support will cost them much more in the end.

Futhermore, value RAM follow JEDEC specifications. The RAM coming from the manufacturer meets the official requirements back by extensive testing. Then companies go and bin the RAM to get better performing modules. These tests can never be as good as the production process tests and they attempting to find modules that perform outside of specs.
Technically, I said that he should tell his boss that they would fail, I didn't say that they would. If you nitpick then I'll do the same.

Anyway, I mostly understand and agree (although I don't understand how a 3rd party's tests can't be as good as production process tests) and I really just wanted you to explain because you attacked me specifically and even if it hadn't been me, there's no need to call anyone an idiot (which you didn't technically do, but you implied that I was one by calling my advice terrible), it's way better to just correct people.
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post #24 of 27
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Technically, I said that he should tell his boss that they would fail, I didn't say that they would. If you nitpick then I'll do the same.
...so you're saying lie to his boss?


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although I don't understand how a 3rd party's tests can't be as good as production process tests
The production tests that I am refering to are what companies run on thousands/tens of thousand of units. This is when companies learn about yields and performance characteristics. When Samsung makes a new line of memory, they spend months figuring out how to improve the process and what the specifcations should be. It's like when NVIDIA is about to launch a new GPU... they have figure out what clocks and shader counts make sense.

3rd party testing generally means they stress modules to bin them. This would be akin to EVGA or Sapphire selling overclocked GPUs. Obviously, NVIDIA and AMD have done more testing and know more about the GPU. G.Skill or Sapphire have no way of knowing how running products out of specs will behave in 3 years. Samsung or AMD does.

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I really just wanted you to explain because you attacked me specifically and even if it hadn't been me, there's no need to call anyone an idiot (which you didn't technically do, but you implied that I was one by calling my advice terrible), it's way better to just correct people.
One of my pet peeves is when people pass opinions as fact or advice. If you do not know, make sure you tell the person you aren't sure but this is what you think. There is nothing wrong with opinion as long as it is clearly stated.

i.e. Yesterday, someone asked about which is better OCZ Vertex 1 or Corsair Extreme SSD. Someone posted that the OCZ is better. I know they didn't know because if they bothered to do any research, they would have found out they are the same exact SSD. That stuff pisses me off since it just creates fanboyism and misinformation.
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The RAM he gets is not Value RAM its lifetime. That's the name. We do pretty good for low end PC. What got my boss to get the G.skill http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231321

Is I told him to ask the timings of the RAM. They said 7. I was like. Ok good start buts whats the rest? They said IDK. So I was like. Umm.. I think it would be best to go with G.skill.

Just my 2c
That ram is pretty good. low timings and volts. Lifetime warranty really helps when some thing goes wrong.
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post #26 of 27
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...so you're saying lie to his boss?
Even if only for peace of mind, yeah. If he feels that the lifetime RAM his boss buys is insufficient then sure.

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The production tests that I am refering to are what companies run on thousands/tens of thousand of units. This is when companies learn about yields and performance characteristics. When Samsung makes a new line of memory, they spend months figuring out how to improve the process and what the specifcations should be. It's like when NVIDIA is about to launch a new GPU... they have figure out what clocks and shader counts make sense.

3rd party testing generally means they stress modules to bin them. This would be akin to EVGA or Sapphire selling overclocked GPUs. Obviously, NVIDIA and AMD have done more testing and know more about the GPU. G.Skill or Sapphire have no way of knowing how running products out of specs will behave in 3 years. Samsung or AMD does.
Oh, I thought you meant they had some special test.

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One of my pet peeves is when people pass opinions as fact or advice. If you do not know, make sure you tell the person you aren't sure but this is what you think.

i.e. Yesterday, someone asked about which is better OCZ Vertex 1 or Corsair Extreme SSD. Someone posted that the OCZ is better. I know they didn't know because if they bothered to do any research, they would have found out they are the same exact SSD. That stuff pisses me off since it just creates fanboyism and misinformation.
Again, there are 5 other users that said the same as me (that it's probably bad RAM) yet you said nothing to them. That's what bothers me. Felt like you took a swing at the guy with the most rep.
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Again, there are 5 other users that said the same as me (that it's probably bad RAM) yet you said nothing to them. That's what bothers me. Felt like you took a swing at the guy with the most rep.
My fault there.... I should have multi-selected the other posters quotes.
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