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Originally Posted by Guswut;13103216 

The desktops normally come out to costing more in parts/power/time wasted (syncing files that are required between both locations, setting up the second system after setting up the first, etc). And that's only in relation to two locations. Some people, such as myself, not only have two locations, but routinely go on site with clients and need to have access to their entire workstation.

Besides gaming, though, which is a lovely part of the system, the large screen gives you ample workspace and the speedy processor gives you a multitasking machine, for those of us that run a lot of things at once.

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Most of what you listed here can be easily done with a single laptop. If you need to access files at home, just set up an RDP connection and you're good to go. If you don't want to do that then a simple back up HDD and any decent laptop can get most if not all of your work done. Unless you're a CAD student, dual video cards and a screen over 17in is just over kill.

I do a lot of work from my laptop and if I need files from home I can either use a local WiFi connection or use my cellphone as a modem and RDP into my desktop at home to grab what I need. Also since it only has a 13.3in screen, I don't need to dedicate a whole carry-on bag just for it to bring on trips with me.
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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel;13104110 
The battery life on this thing is so low that you won't be able to be productive with it anyway. And no, 10 pounds is not light. Do you actually think someone is gonna be carrying this around to wherever they go? Whatever, you just won't see the fact that this makes no sense for the compromises and price tag it carries.

Again, no it's not low. 2 hours of gaming on the go is alot! Especially with fidelity.
4-5 hours of general use is fantastic too. My M1710 doesn't even last 2 hours with or without gaming.
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Because for using it for normal tasks you don't need a CPU or GPU that fast. And, since I do have slower components there, it means they need less cooling, which in turn means I have a smaller chassis, which in turn means it weighs less which in turn means it's more portable, which in turn means it works better for carrying around and is more convenient. For gaming, I can still do it at the native res. for most in very high and if not I can lower them to high/medium settings combo. It does my daily tasks just as good and I can still game. I didn't go for a lower-end GPU because I still wanted to game at good settings/image quality. If you want the best gaming experience you still need a desktop and a bigger monitor than what this "laptop" provides, so it's nonsensical. It won't replace a desktop for gaming at the best settings.

Again, then your "normal tasks" are of a very different niche then mine are.
Normal tasks for me is not just browsing the web for emails.
It's gaming, media playing out the rear, media editing/conversion a la premiere, photoshop, Alice, and more.
When I go to college, it's going to be even more than that because I'm going to be using 3D modeling and stuff. I would like to be able to move around rather than be stuck in my dorm all day with my "mini-itx desktop" like you keep mentioning.
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There's the big issue of price. I wouldn't be surprised if the base model started at the very low price of $1999. I paid $650 for my laptop.

I doubt $2k, but even if it was let's say - it's about double if not triple the performance of your $650 laptop AGAIN. You're not comparing correctly.
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Which is why this laptop is not for them. However, for people who don't mind the extra weight then it's not an issue. High performance doesn't come without weight.

And price. And heat. They're necessary sacrifices
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That's not the only problem. After you go higher than $1000, you typically get diminishing returns when it comes to performance. You're paying $3000 for a laptop that is slower than a $1000 desktop. Sure, it's more convenient, but we're talking $2000 dollars difference.

That convenience is limited, too. This thing will only get an hour or less of battery life.

$3k is exaggerating now. Maybe 3k if you completely deck this thing out which would be completely unnecessary with 32GB of RAM.

Also, you're forgetting ALOT that's included in that money.

Let's say the laptop costs $2k like you said before... You get:
17" 1080p screen
integrated keyboard
integrated mouse
integrated speakers
battery powered
decent chassis (even better if you like the way it looks)
fit-in-backpack portability
warranty
support
+all the juicy hardware

Aside from the hardware, you get practically none of that with a $1k computer that's as good as this laptop. And even if you build one that's in the same ballpark - you'll never have battery support.
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No, sorry. You've yet to demonstrate how this is useful for anyone that can't carry around a lot of weight. For the overwhelming majority of people, including me, this is useless. My argument stands. The market for this is WAY too limited.

You're dead wrong about the market being way too limited. If the market was way too limited, why has this solution existed for the past 8 years yet alone sold well enough for it to continue to get attention?

If you buy a laptop like this, you're going to expect the weight. It's the tradeoff for performance. If you can't handle the measly weight, then clearly you shouldn't be buying it in the first place - it isn't for you. Doesn't mean it isn't for other people.

Also, again like I said before, you're complaining about the weight way more than you should. I said this before, I'm 18 in highschool. For the past 4-5 years, I've had a backpack that's the size and weight of about 5 or 6 of these laptops combined. I climb up and down several flights of stairs with this huge bulk on my back along with dozens of other students. Spare me.

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Most of what you listed here can be easily done with a single laptop. If you need to access files at home, just set up an RDP connection and you're good to go. If you don't want to do that then a simple back up HDD and any decent laptop can get most if not all of your work done. Unless you're a CAD student, dual video cards and a screen over 17in is just over kill.

I do a lot of work from my laptop and if I need files from home I can either use a local WiFi connection or use my cellphone as a modem and RDP into my desktop at home to grab what I need. Also since it only has a 13.3in screen, I don't need to dedicate a whole carry-on bag just for it to bring on trips with me.

But then you always have to worry about having WiFi connection or having a phone tether.
I agree with you, don't get me wrong, that's what I do too but sometimes not everyone has that option all the time. It's always best to have some form of local, physical data especially if it's work related.

I also don't particularly agree with dual GPUs being only for CAD students or it's "overkill". If you're a media fanatic, a large screen size is always best and a gaming person always wants the best performance and visuals so dual GPUs is great.
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Then why qualify your post stating otherwise, when you know that the MX18 will almost certainly be coming with switchable graphics?

The MacBook Pro is actually pretty oversized for what you get. Why didn't you go with something lighter, that also didn't cost twice as much as a normal laptop of the same level? Kettle, meet pot?
Can you find a 15" laptop from mid-2010 that had solid build quality, 16:10 AR, a high resolution display, decent weight, good battery life (5 hours+), switchable graphics, and support for OS X (I kid)? I wanted a laptop that would actually last me a few years as opposed to disintegrating within months. I haven't had very good experiences with laptops from HP, Dell, Asus, etc. over the past few years.

Also, I was sick of dealing with ****ty charging ports. Magsafe is a pretty good feature that I wish could be carried over to other mainstream manufacturers.
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Besides that, the weight is not the limiting factor when it comes to portability (for me at least). The factor would be containment device limited, as I'd personally love a nineteen/twenty/twenty-two inch laptop. They just do not make backpacks to fit such laptops, and as I commonly use my motorcycle, I need something that'll fit onto my back.
It is for me. I don't want to carry an extra 15 pounds on my back; I have enough books to worry about.
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Besides that, though, if you are even slightly in shape, the addition of a few pounds won't make that much of a difference unless you are walking to class (in which case you should think about investing in a bicycle, motorcycle, car, carpool seat, or a bus seat).
This argument is ridiculous. 10 pounds is a lot of weight. Walking around my school (campus next year) would suck with that extra 10 pounds. In my situation, I want a reasonably light laptop.
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You are entirely wrong, in my opinion, as you are not factoring in the time of setting up both solutions, synchronizing both solutions, upgrading both solutions, etc.
Unless you are technically illiterate, setting up both and syncing up browsers or files (dropbox is easy to use) is very simple.
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You can get mathematics done on a slide ruler. Would you like to be forced to forgo any sort of calculator in advanced mathematics, though?
This analogy is flawed. A downclocked calculator would be a better comparison.
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At that price, it'll likely be able to play modern games at medium (at best), low, or just barely. For a year, at most.
You'd be surprised by what the GTX 460M can do. It's a solid mobile GPU.
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It'll be a bearable gaming experience at best, and a bother when, after nine months to a year, you need to retire your current setup and get a new one. Which means setting up a new system, dealing with possible hardware failures, getting your data synced, etc.
That's your opinion. It could be a perfectly fine gaming experience for someone. You'd still have a kick-ass desktop to use anyway.
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On battery, you mean. See, the sticking point in your argument is that the battery life of these systems is horrid, etc. I've countered as much, using your own logic, by saying get a small cheap netbook for all things that require good battery life. My "setup" would then have a MUCH better battery life than your "setup", as well as being better at gaming remotely, too.
Why buy a gaming laptop at all then? If you need a netbook to do all that stuff, why not just use a single laptop that has good battery life and decent gaming performance?
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In what situations are you going to find yourself away from a source of power for three hours? Most flights will give you access to a power port, no matter your class (even the no-class people, like us!) if you ask nicely. In a car, you can purchase a fifty dollar inverter and be on AC power until you run out of fuel in the tank. If you're taking a bus ride that is longer than three hours, you use your netbook (with a USB drive as the working directory for all of your work, for easy of data syncing).
Debate tournaments, bus rides, classes where I don't have access to power ports, and other things. It's mainly about not being constantly tethered to a power port. What is the point of a laptop if it has to be kept on power the entire time?

The idea that you should carry around two laptops is laughable. If you think that gaming on a GTX 460M will be only "bearable" then using a netbook for productivity work would be the equivalent of crucification.
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Or get the best of all worlds with my "setup" of a netbook and desktop replacement system. For cheaper, in the long run, too.
Or not. Netbooks are horrendous to use.
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Only 1,000$? I'm sorry, but money does not grow on trees out where I live. A good desktop replacement system will cost 3,500$ to 4,000$ at the very most, and will last four to five years of active gaming at medium or better. That's the cost of your laptop upgrades in less time, without even accounting for the cost of the desktop, upgrades to the desktop, and the additional cost of power that the desktop will have over my "setup".
Four to five years? In what fantasy land do you live in? Do you really believe that a rig running even GTX 280Ms in SLI will be running games at "medium or better" in three years?
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In a few rare instances, people will purchase a desktop replacement system yearly. Those are the people with money trees, and the type of people that your argument and my rational are not going to ever touch. Although some of those people are savvy enough with the market to be able to sell that desktop replacement back for a good price, making their yearly upgrade cost much much cheaper.
Look at the NBR forum for any major gaming notebook manufacturer. There are many, many people upgrading just about every year, or every other year. The Alienware forum is a great example of this.
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I, personally, couldn't stand not keeping a system for at least three years. I take care of my things, and they take care of me. I don't get how, exactly, you seem to think that a person willing to put down that large of an investment into something like this would want to upgrade so soon, but I also can't understand why you wasted your money on a MacBook Pro when there are much better solutions for a whole lot less.
Do you have any better solutions that fit my needs that were available last summer?
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Oh, and I'd still LOVE to see your "sub 1,000$" now-"1,000$" laptop which will provide a bearable screen size (fifteen inches), dedicated graphics chip that will get you more than three hours of battery life (or switchable graphics that'll do the same), and then your reason why you, yourself, did not go for such a setup instead of your MacBook Pro (which seems to be your only system, how strange!).
Like you, money does not grow on trees for me either. I'd like to purchase a W520 or an updated 8760w, but I don't think that I'd be able to afford either one this summer. Last year, there weren't nearly as many laptops with switchable graphics that were built well, so I was stuck with the MBP. I was willing to pay the price premium for the versatility that the MBP provides.

Flame me all you want for my choice of an MBP as a laptop, but it works well for what my needs are.

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Originally Posted by r34p3rex;13104005 
LOL! I didn't even notice that he had a Macbook. Oh god, this changes things for the worse (for him). ninja.gif

So e30kid, how do you justify owning a Macbook Pro over a comparable Windows laptop?
There was no alternative with a better battery life/performance ratio last summer. I'd get a W520 if I had to buy a new laptop today.
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What's with the term papers in this thread?

Niche market products are usually expensive because they aren't marketed towards the masses. If you find these products "useless" or "pointless" then there's a good chance you are a part of the masses. If there are more than 1 person in this thread that find these laptops appealing than there's a good chance that a market exists for them.
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Again, no it's not low. 2 hours of gaming on the go is alot! Especially with fidelity.
4-5 hours of general use is fantastic too. My M1710 doesn't even last 2 hours with or without gaming.



Again, then your "normal tasks" are of a very different niche then mine are.
Normal tasks for me is not just browsing the web for emails.
It's gaming, media playing out the rear, media editing/conversion a la premiere, photoshop, Alice, and more.
When I go to college, it's going to be even more than that because I'm going to be using 3D modeling and stuff. I would like to be able to move around rather than be stuck in my dorm all day with my "mini-itx desktop" like you keep mentioning.



I doubt $2k, but even if it was let's say - it's about double if not triple the performance of your $650 laptop AGAIN. You're not comparing correctly.



And price. And heat. They're necessary sacrifices



$3k is exaggerating now. Maybe 3k if you completely deck this thing out which would be completely unnecessary with 32GB of RAM.

Also, you're forgetting ALOT that's included in that money.

Let's say the laptop costs $2k like you said before... You get:
17" 1080p screen
integrated keyboard
integrated mouse
integrated speakers
battery powered
decent chassis (even better if you like the way it looks)
fit-in-backpack portability
warranty
support
+all the juicy hardware

Aside from the hardware, you get practically none of that with a $1k computer that's as good as this laptop. And even if you build one that's in the same ballpark - you'll never have battery support.



You're dead wrong about the market being way too limited. If the market was way too limited, why has this solution existed for the past 8 years yet alone sold well enough for it to continue to get attention?

If you buy a laptop like this, you're going to expect the weight. It's the tradeoff for performance. If you can't handle the measly weight, then clearly you shouldn't be buying it in the first place - it isn't for you. Doesn't mean it isn't for other people.

Also, again like I said before, you're complaining about the weight way more than you should. I said this before, I'm 18 in highschool. For the past 4-5 years, I've had a backpack that's the size and weight of about 5 or 6 of these laptops combined. I climb up and down several flights of stairs with this huge bulk on my back along with dozens of other students. Spare me.




But then you always have to worry about having WiFi connection or having a phone tether.
I agree with you, don't get me wrong, that's what I do too but sometimes not everyone has that option all the time. It's always best to have some form of local, physical data especially if it's work related.

I also don't particularly agree with dual GPUs being only for CAD students or it's "overkill". If you're a media fanatic, a large screen size is always best and a gaming person always wants the best performance and visuals so dual GPUs is great.

And you still don't get it: this thing has too many drawbacks for what you get. As for you saying this laptop is not for me, you're right, it's not. But using the argument as if I were in the minority here is simply ridiculous. Most people ARE NOT willing to carry around more than 10 pounds all day long. Most people would carry more than 5 pounds but less than 10 fine.
    
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Can you find a 15" laptop from mid-2010 that had solid build quality, 16:10 AR, a high resolution display, decent weight, good battery life (5 hours+), switchable graphics, and support for OS X (I kid)? I wanted a laptop that would actually last me a few years as opposed to disintegrating within months. I haven't had very good experiences with laptops from HP, Dell, Asus, etc. over the past few years.

Also, I was sick of dealing with ****ty charging ports. Magsafe is a pretty good feature that I wish could be carried over to other mainstream manufacturers.
It is for me. I don't want to carry an extra 15 pounds on my back; I have enough books to worry about.
This argument is ridiculous. 10 pounds is a lot of weight. Walking around my school (campus next year) would suck with that extra 10 pounds. In my situation, I want a reasonably light laptop.

Unless you are technically illiterate, setting up both and syncing up browsers or files (dropbox is easy to use) is very simple.


This analogy is flawed. A downclocked calculator would be a better comparison.

You'd be surprised by what the GTX 460M can do. It's a solid mobile GPU.
That's your opinion. It could be a perfectly fine gaming experience for someone. You'd still have a kick-ass desktop to use anyway.
Why buy a gaming laptop at all then? If you need a netbook to do all that stuff, why not just use a single laptop that has good battery life and decent gaming performance?
Debate tournaments, bus rides, classes where I don't have access to power ports, and other things. It's mainly about not being constantly tethered to a power port. What is the point of a laptop if it has to be kept on power the entire time?

The idea that you should carry around two laptops is laughable. If you think that gaming on a GTX 460M will be only "bearable" then using a netbook for productivity work would be the equivalent of crucification.

Or not. Netbooks are horrendous to use.
Four to five years? In what fantasy land do you live in? Do you really believe that a rig running even GTX 280Ms in SLI will be running games at "medium or better" in three years?

Look at the NBR forum for any major gaming notebook manufacturer. There are many, many people upgrading just about every year, or every other year. The Alienware forum is a great example of this.
Do you have any better solutions that fit my needs that were available last summer?
Like you, money does not grow on trees for me either. I'd like to purchase a W520 or an updated 8760w, but I don't think that I'd be able to afford either one this summer. Last year, there weren't nearly as many laptops with switchable graphics that were built well, so I was stuck with the MBP. I was willing to pay the price premium for the versatility that the MBP provides.

Flame me all you want for my choice of an MBP as a laptop, but it works well for what my needs are.



There was no alternative with a better battery life/performance ratio last summer. I'd get a W520 if I had to buy a new laptop today.

This! Couldn't have said it better myself. Only thing I'd like more is if the MacBook Pro was available at a lower price. Otherwise, it's a solid laptop.
    
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And you still don't get it: this thing has too many drawbacks for what you get. As for you saying this laptop is not for me, you're right, it's not. But using the argument as if I were in the minority here is simply ridiculous. Most people ARE NOT willing to carry around more than 10 pounds all day long. Most people would carry more than 5 pounds but less than 10 fine.

Lol, wow. You STILL fail to realize that this is a laptop catered to a NICHE market. Clearly, you are not in the niche so just leave it alone. No one ever said that this would sell like hotcakes. The price premium here is because of how few units they expect to sell.
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And you still don't get it: this thing has too many drawbacks for what you get. As for you saying this laptop is not for me, you're right, it's not. But using the argument as if I were in the minority here is simply ridiculous. Most people ARE NOT willing to carry around more than 10 pounds all day long. Most people would carry more than 5 pounds but less than 10 fine.
I think that this is where the divide lies. Most people don't want to carry around something that is much heavier day in and day out for large performance gains. If DTRs were significantly cheaper than desktops, I would consider them for daily use, but they're not. I would just rather have two computers: one for gaming and one that's just for general usage.
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This! Couldn't have said it better myself. Only thing I'd like more is if the MacBook Pro was available at a lower price. Otherwise, it's a solid laptop.
Yeah, I had to buy mine refurbished. They are really expensive.
    
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But then you always have to worry about having WiFi connection or having a phone tether.
I agree with you, don't get me wrong, that's what I do too but sometimes not everyone has that option all the time. It's always best to have some form of local, physical data especially if it's work related.

I also don't particularly agree with dual GPUs being only for CAD students or it's "overkill". If you're a media fanatic, a large screen size is always best and a gaming person always wants the best performance and visuals so dual GPUs is great.

Well yea, media students, media editors would need a lot of GPU power, but most of the time if they want to do serious work, they have a desktop at home that they can use. Like you said, these laptops have a very niche market and I used to be part of that market. But after 4 years of college I came to realize its much easier (and cheaper) to have two separate systems, one for serious work and gaming at home, and a light, quick and decent laptop.
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What's with the term papers in this thread?

Niche market products are usually expensive because they aren't marketed towards the masses. If you find these products "useless" or "pointless" then there's a good chance you are a part of the masses. If there are more than 1 person in this thread that find these laptops appealing than there's a good chance that a market exists for them.

I'm not part of the masses. All I'm saying this is like a niche of a niche of a niche.

I use my laptop for gaming and folding, which most people do not. I also use it for normal tasks. That automatically makes it a niche, since most people don't use them for gaming or folding. The difference is that I didn't have to deal with the many drawbacks that come with this "laptop". It's only marginally bigger than a normal laptop, and weight is only somewhat higher. I do get higher performance, but not at an extreme cost (whether monetarily or physically).
    
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