Originally Posted by Guswut;13103983
Then why qualify your post stating otherwise, when you know that the MX18 will almost certainly be coming with switchable graphics?
The MacBook Pro is actually pretty oversized for what you get. Why didn't you go with something lighter, that also didn't cost twice as much as a normal laptop of the same level? Kettle, meet pot?
Can you find a 15" laptop from mid-2010 that had solid build quality, 16:10 AR, a high resolution display, decent weight, good battery life (5 hours+), switchable graphics, and support for OS X (I kid)? I wanted a laptop that would actually last me a few years as opposed to disintegrating within months. I haven't had very good experiences with laptops from HP, Dell, Asus, etc. over the past few years.
Also, I was sick of dealing with ****ty charging ports. Magsafe is a pretty good feature that I wish could be carried over to other mainstream manufacturers.
Besides that, the weight is not the limiting factor when it comes to portability (for me at least). The factor would be containment device limited, as I'd personally love a nineteen/twenty/twenty-two inch laptop. They just do not make backpacks to fit such laptops, and as I commonly use my motorcycle, I need something that'll fit onto my back.
It is for me. I don't want to carry an extra 15 pounds on my back; I have enough books to worry about.
Besides that, though, if you are even slightly in shape, the addition of a few pounds won't make that much of a difference unless you are walking to class (in which case you should think about investing in a bicycle, motorcycle, car, carpool seat, or a bus seat).
This argument is ridiculous. 10 pounds is a lot of weight. Walking around my school (campus next year) would suck with that extra 10 pounds. In my situation, I want a reasonably light laptop.
You are entirely wrong, in my opinion, as you are not factoring in the time of setting up both solutions, synchronizing both solutions, upgrading both solutions, etc.
Unless you are technically illiterate, setting up both and syncing up browsers or files (dropbox is easy to use) is very simple.
You can get mathematics done on a slide ruler. Would you like to be forced to forgo any sort of calculator in advanced mathematics, though?
This analogy is flawed. A downclocked calculator would be a better comparison.
At that price, it'll likely be able to play modern games at medium (at best), low, or just barely. For a year, at most.
You'd be surprised by what the GTX 460M can do. It's a solid mobile GPU.
It'll be a bearable gaming experience at best, and a bother when, after nine months to a year, you need to retire your current setup and get a new one. Which means setting up a new system, dealing with possible hardware failures, getting your data synced, etc.
That's your opinion. It could be a perfectly fine gaming experience for someone. You'd still have a kick-ass desktop to use anyway.
On battery, you mean. See, the sticking point in your argument is that the battery life of these systems is horrid, etc. I've countered as much, using your own logic, by saying get a small cheap netbook for all things that require good battery life. My "setup" would then have a MUCH better battery life than your "setup", as well as being better at gaming remotely, too.
Why buy a gaming laptop at all then? If you need a netbook to do all that stuff, why not just use a single laptop that has good battery life and decent gaming performance?
In what situations are you going to find yourself away from a source of power for three hours? Most flights will give you access to a power port, no matter your class (even the no-class people, like us!) if you ask nicely. In a car, you can purchase a fifty dollar inverter and be on AC power until you run out of fuel in the tank. If you're taking a bus ride that is longer than three hours, you use your netbook (with a USB drive as the working directory for all of your work, for easy of data syncing).
Debate tournaments, bus rides, classes where I don't have access to power ports, and other things. It's mainly about not being constantly tethered to a power port. What is the point of a laptop if it has to be kept on power the entire time?
The idea that you should carry around two laptops is laughable. If you think that gaming on a GTX 460M will be only "bearable" then using a netbook for productivity work would be the equivalent of crucification.
Or get the best of all worlds with my "setup" of a netbook and desktop replacement system. For cheaper, in the long run, too.
Or not. Netbooks are horrendous to use.
Only 1,000$? I'm sorry, but money does not grow on trees out where I live. A good desktop replacement system will cost 3,500$ to 4,000$ at the very most, and will last four to five years of active gaming at medium or better. That's the cost of your laptop upgrades in less time, without even accounting for the cost of the desktop, upgrades to the desktop, and the additional cost of power that the desktop will have over my "setup".
Four to five years? In what fantasy land do you live in? Do you really believe that a rig running even GTX 280Ms in SLI will be running games at "medium or better" in three years?
In a few rare instances, people will purchase a desktop replacement system yearly. Those are the people with money trees, and the type of people that your argument and my rational are not going to ever touch. Although some of those people are savvy enough with the market to be able to sell that desktop replacement back for a good price, making their yearly upgrade cost much much cheaper.
Look at the NBR forum for any major gaming notebook manufacturer. There are many, many people upgrading just about every year, or every other year. The Alienware forum is a great example of this.
I, personally, couldn't stand not keeping a system for at least three years. I take care of my things, and they take care of me. I don't get how, exactly, you seem to think that a person willing to put down that large of an investment into something like this would want to upgrade so soon, but I also can't understand why you wasted your money on a MacBook Pro when there are much better solutions for a whole lot less.
Do you have any better solutions that fit my needs that were available last summer?
Oh, and I'd still LOVE to see your "sub 1,000$" now-"1,000$" laptop which will provide a bearable screen size (fifteen inches), dedicated graphics chip that will get you more than three hours of battery life (or switchable graphics that'll do the same), and then your reason why you, yourself, did not go for such a setup instead of your MacBook Pro (which seems to be your only system, how strange!).
Like you, money does not grow on trees for me either. I'd like to purchase a W520 or an updated 8760w, but I don't think that I'd be able to afford either one this summer. Last year, there weren't nearly as many laptops with switchable graphics that were built well, so I was stuck with the MBP. I was willing to pay the price premium for the versatility that the MBP provides.
Flame me all you want for my choice of an MBP as a laptop, but it works well for what my needs are.
Originally Posted by r34p3rex;13104005
LOL! I didn't even notice that he had a Macbook. Oh god, this changes things for the worse (for him).
So e30kid, how do you justify owning a Macbook Pro over a comparable Windows laptop?
There was no alternative with a better battery life/performance ratio last summer. I'd get a W520 if I had to buy a new laptop today.Edited by e30kid - 4/12/11 at 7:55pm