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This guy. A lot whining for things that really aren't a big deal. You're sitting there about to play a game, obviously you have nothing important to do. I think you can sit there and wait a few minutes for an update to download.
Since when was whining=/=demanding?
obviously you play a game when you finally HAVE time, would you rather waste it on aggravating ads, installs, registations and other things?

ITT: Tools that accept everything instead of demanding things to at least work on release without first day patches.
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So true, it's amazing to me that people complained about the general price increase to $60 when the sticker price of a game had gone largely unchanged for 20 years!
Game prices have generally gone down considering inflation, but the number of "must-have" titles has probably quintupled since the '90s.
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Since when was whining=/=demanding?
obviously you play a game when you finally HAVE time, would you rather waste it on aggravating ads, installs, registations and other things?

ITT: Tools that accept everything instead of demanding things to at least work on release without first day patches.
Things have gotten much more complex since the "olden days". There are many more hardware configurations which bring in a lot more variables. Also naturally expectations get higher and higher, which means more work and more pressure on developers.

As someone going into game design, I can say that it's not like a dev is usually plain incompetent, it's that the number of variables has gone up, and thus increases chances something won't work.
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Things have gotten much more complex since the "olden days". There are many more hardware configurations which bring in a lot more variables. Also naturally expectations get higher and higher, which means more work and more pressure on developers.

As someone going into game design, I can say that it's not like a dev is usually plain incompetent, it's that the number of variables has gone up, and thus increases chances something won't work.
Here's a thought then, run a true Beta. Then you get the chance to try a lot of variables. I was just in a Beta with TG and it was amazing the number of patches they put out during the Beta fixing issues, as well as balance etc. But then again they are self publishing so I am guessing they want the game completed correctly, versus a publisher which does not care about the consumer.
    
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Here's a thought then, run a true Beta. Then you get the chance to try a lot of variables. I was just in a Beta with TG and it was amazing the number of patches they put out during the Beta fixing issues, as well as balance etc. But then again they are self publishing so I am guessing they want the game completed correctly, versus a publisher which does not care about the consumer.
And you don't think other companies do that too?.. :-/...

You're making your claims with personal experience, but backing them with assumptions.
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I shouldn't have to do that, though. I understand having to sit through it the first time the game loads up, but after that? PFT. I have yet to play an ATI/AMD sponsored game that forces you to watch it every time. The worst was the Borderlands games when you had to deal with that miserable robot intro everytime.

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The article makes no sense. The things he is complaining apart from online account and day 1 patches, already happened way way way back. ON THE PC.

I remeber taking 20 mins to install Fallou 2 on my P4 when fallout 2 was released. SC1, WC3? Yeah good luck not needing to install anything on the PC AND THEN input serial keys.

The summary of the article is: "Console players deserve a much better treatment than PC". (conclusion that its a console whine is because anyone who plays PC games is familiar with all the CD-key, installing stuff)
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And you don't think other companies do that too?.. :-/...

You're making your claims with personal experience, but backing them with assumptions.
Obviously not enough. How many launches have gone smoothly lately? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. So instead of rushing the product out the door additional testing is needed. I don't like paying money to Beta test a product.
    
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This is why I just rip the movie out and tosss it in my terabyte

I'm yet to figure out how to keep the scene selection and throw away all the boring junk..
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Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post
He wants a final product to be fully working just like every other product released... Try buying a car that you need to send in once a week to fix, or maybe buy the DLC that allows brakes?
The point I was trying to make is that although the product was released with bugs, it is better to have it patched then left with a complete unfunctional product.

Like your example. What do you think the point of a warrenty is? I'd much rather have a car that doesn't work and could be fixed then a final product that can't be.

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PC =/= Start...


You get what I mean. You start up the game and its runs. Not that hard for a user to do. If this guy is having troubles, I wonder what he was doing when we used to require CDs to play.

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You agree that you don't like it? Because most of the time the content is already there ON the disc.
Ya, I don't agree with having locked content that was on the disk.

He opened with a header that stated I don't want to input a stack of codes. You don't really. Only code you usually require is the CD-Key. If he is butt-hurt off this, he surely hasn't PC gamed before. Ben Kuchera needs to work on writing proper headers.

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Long enough to hate it obviously.
Well it is nearly second nature and only takes out a minute of your time. It is a bonus to not have to wait it out, but surely, he could always go grab a drink or make a sandvich.

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It takes less time to download it than to wait for a patch that "might" come.
If it is a Special Edition game it's even more common to do this.
You still spent hours downloading what was already on your disk....
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