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Truly multithreaded applications will benefit from 6 cores over 4 cores, though at the moment you are right in that the 2500k is faster for the most part. It's a brand new architecture on a smaller process node, it has all the advantage here. However, LGA1155 processors are more expensive in Canada. I'm also concerned about LGA1155 expandability... you're stuck with the 2500k for life unless you blow an expensive amount of cash on a CPU + mobo (+ RAM?) upgrade whereas if you purchase an AM3+ compatible board on AM3 processor, you can upgrade to better platforms coming out in the next few i.e. first-gen Bulldozer, Enhanced Bulldozer, perhaps even second-gen "Komodo" in 2012.

If someone wants to spend $1200 on AMD I say let them as the slight savings could end up being an important upgrade i.e. spend extra $100 on an SSD, the expandability is better, and the CPU performance doesn't matter as much in games anyway - you could get a better GPU. I have found that people had to make serious GPU step-downs just to get a Sandy Bridge PC. A Phenom II x4/x6 OCed + 6950 would still outperform an LGA1155 processor + 6850 in gaming. GPU makes more difference.
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Truly multithreaded applications will benefit from 6 cores over 4 cores, though at the moment you are right in that the 2500k is faster for the most part. However, LGA1155 processors are more expensive in Canada. I'm also concerned about LGA1155 expandability... you're stuck with the 2500k for life unless you blow an expensive amount of cash on a CPU + mobo (+ RAM?) upgrade whereas if you purchase an AM3+ compatible board on AM3 processor, you can upgrade to better platforms coming out in the next few i.e. first-gen Bulldozer, Enhanced Bulldozer, perhaps even second-gen "Komodo" in 2012
Wat.

If you buy an AM3 motherboard and an AM3+ CPU that is socket compatible, you're not getting a new platform; you're simply getting a new CPU. With Sandy Bridge, it's the same story. If you buy a Core i5 2500K you can upgrade in 2012 to Ivy Bridge if you want, since they're socket compatible. Expandability for both is exactly the same for now since we don't know if Enhanced Bulldozer will be compatible with AM3.
    
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That's pretty crap, actually. LOL. The Power Supply is junk, the HDD is too expensive for the storage capacity it provides, the CPU and motherboard are no good for the price, and a larger monitor can be had for the price.

With that said, I think this is much better:

Cooler Master HAF 912: $58

Intel Core i5 2500K: $220

MSI P67A-G45 B3 P67 Motherboard: $140

HIS Radeon HD 6850: $159

Antec TruePower New 650W: $100

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB: $40

G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB DDR3 1600MHz: $48

Sony Optiarc DVD+RW Drive: $20

Cooler Master Hyper 212+: $30

ASUS V242H 23.6" LCD Monitor: $180

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit: $110

Total with GST and Shipping: $1195
I put everything in that list on newegg with my postal code and all and the price came to 1287.15...
post #24 of 75
We don't know for sure either if Ivy Bridge will be compatible with Sandy Bridge. The sources all conflict. I'm betting it won't be and it will be similar to LGA775 where you will need a new chipset motherboard to operate Ivy Bridge.

As I said for $1200 you can get a minimum 1090T with at least GTX 560 Ti and a solid state drive, in Canada, even with monitor & OS price included. I can configure that for you this afternoon.
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Truly multithreaded applications will benefit from 6 cores over 4 cores, though at the moment you are right in that the 2500k is faster for the most part. It's a brand new architecture on a smaller process node, it has all the advantage here. However, LGA1155 processors are more expensive in Canada. I'm also concerned about LGA1155 expandability... you're stuck with the 2500k for life unless you blow an expensive amount of cash on a CPU + mobo (+ RAM?) upgrade whereas if you purchase an AM3+ compatible board on AM3 processor, you can upgrade to better platforms coming out in the next few i.e. first-gen Bulldozer, Enhanced Bulldozer, perhaps even second-gen "Komodo" in 2012.

If someone wants to spend $1200 on AMD I say let them as the slight savings could end up being an important upgrade i.e. spend extra $100 on an SSD, the expandability is better, and the CPU performance doesn't matter as much in games anyway - you could get a better GPU. I have found that people had to make serious GPU step-downs just to get a Sandy Bridge PC. A Phenom II x4/x6 OCed + 6950 would still outperform an LGA1155 processor + 6850 in gaming. GPU makes more difference.

Thing is, with Sandy Bridge, you get a much more balanced platform. Having a faster CPU will make more difference in day-to-day scenarios than a faster GPU. The 6850 will still play most games at 1920x1080 at max. or high settings and you can add another down the path. If you decide to go the 6950 route with a Phenom II, you're gonna run into a bottleneck once you add another one for CF.
    
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I put everything in that list on newegg with my postal code and all and the price came to 1287.15...
Must be because of where you live, then. Including a monitor into the build is what's hurting. Also, is the shipping option you're using the cheapest (Purolator Ground, International)?

If it's not, I think you'd be better served going with a Phenom II X4. CPU performance will be much lower, though.
    
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ya shipping is on lowest I was thinking of getting a mobo with onboard graphics and buy a GPU later, but P67 doesn't have onboard video :S
post #29 of 75
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We don't know for sure either if Ivy Bridge will be compatible with Sandy Bridge. The sources all conflict. I'm betting it won't be and it will be similar to LGA775 where you will need a new chipset motherboard to operate Ivy Bridge.

As I said for $1200 you can get a minimum 1090T with at least GTX 560 Ti and a solid state drive, in Canada, even with monitor & OS price included. I can configure that for you this afternoon.
Actually, no. All of the latest sources seem to say that it will use Socket LGA 1155 and will be compatible with P67/H67.

OP: you could alternatively go for an Intel Core i5 2400, which would still be faster than an over-clocked Phenom II X4, and get an Antec NEO ECO 520W. You save $70 by doing that and it's still faster than going the AMD route.
    
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but that is only 3.1GHz and overclocked phenom will prolly get atleast 3.5
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