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Abyssus has been $30 for a while now, but yes it would make more sense if more people bought the WMO. However, high DPI and shiny finishes are more enticing to people looking for new mice.



The Deathadder is definitely not a claw/fingertip mouse at all. It's blatantly ergonomic and for palm gripping cavemen only.

The newer Abyssus' have the jitter-free firmware. If you want to guarantee without a doubt that you'll get one with the proper firmware get the League of Legends edition which has been confirmed by Razer to have the new firmware.
I went on the razer website and can't seem to find firmware for the abyssus, would the deathadder's firmware work with it?
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I went on the razer website and can't seem to find firmware for the abyssus, would the deathadder's firmware work with it?
You can't update the firmware on the Abyssus at all. You either get one of the newer ones with the proper firmware or you get one of the older ones with the terrible jitterfest firmware.

I got my regular Abyssus from Amazon about a week ago and it has the proper firmware so I'd suggest ordering from there if you do buy it online.
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You can't update the firmware on the Abyssus at all. You either get one of the newer ones with the proper firmware or you get one of the older ones with the terrible jitterfest firmware.

I got my regular Abyssus from Amazon about a week ago and it has the proper firmware so I'd suggest ordering from there if you do buy it online.
How will I know which firmware it comes with? I plan on buying it from a local computer store. They have the original Abyssus aswell as the mirror edition.

edit: Is it at all possible that using a mouse with an infrared sensor could be disrupted by something else using infrared, like a remote for a TV? Also, is there any proof that an infrared sensor is better than laser and regular optical? The deathadder gets a lot of good reviews and I would love to get it but I don't want to end up finding out in the future that the sensor is actually worse than a different kind. On the razer website, they take about acceleration. http://www2.razerzone.com/MouseGuide...eration/1.html Is what they are referring to the same thing as the kind of acceleration that adjusts where your cursor goes to make more straight lines? How they describe it sounds like how high speeds the mouse can track at, which aren't the same thing right?
Edited by nachoz - 4/12/11 at 9:10pm
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How will I know which firmware it comes with? I plan on buying it from a local computer store. They have the original Abyssus aswell as the mirror edition.
You have to check in the driver software. See if you can find the firmware version in the picture. It'll be like that. I don't think there's anything on the box at the store that will tell you about it.



The acceleration they talk about is kind of a useless stat. They're saying that the sensor can accurately detect how fast it is being accelerated (by your hand) up to, let's say, 20g. That's about 200 m/s/s. But see, I highly doubt that it is physically possible for you or anyone else to accelerate anything at 200 m/s/s.

It's something they slap on the box to impress people, like high DPI and "laser".

I'm pretty sure that all laser sensors are worse than optical sensors. The older ones had worse control speeds than the WMO, IMO and IME 3.0, middle of the road laser sensors like in the g9 and roccat kone were fine, but there was nothing to warrant their purchase over the already proven optical mice. Plus, like all laser sensors, the have worse lift off distances. Current gen laser sensors either have the bad kind of acceleration, or just don't work at all.

An Infrared optical sensor is still optical.
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You have to check in the driver software. See if you can find the firmware version in the picture. It'll be like that. I don't think there's anything on the box at the store that will tell you about it.



The acceleration they talk about is kind of a useless stat. They're saying that the sensor can accurately detect how fast it is being accelerated (by your hand) up to, let's say, 20g. That's about 200 m/s/s. But see, I highly doubt that it is physically possible for you or anyone else to accelerate anything at 200 m/s/s.

It's something they slap on the box to impress people, like high DPI and "laser".

I'm pretty sure that all laser sensors are worse than optical sensors. The older ones had worse control speeds than the WMO, IMO and IME 3.0, middle of the road laser sensors like in the g9 and roccat kone were fine, but there was nothing to warrant their purchase over the already proven optical mice. Plus, like all laser sensors, the have worse lift off distances. Current gen laser sensors either have the bad kind of acceleration, or just don't work at all.

An Infrared optical sensor is still optical.
So infrared is an improvement on the typical optical sensor? If optical mice are better, what is the appeal of laser mice and why are they so popular? I don't see how a mouse would be released that just doesn't work. How is the razer lachesis's sensor?
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So infrared is an improvement on the typical optical sensor?
In my opinion, no. I have a theory that the infrared LED they put in the Deathadder contributes significantly to its obscene lift off distance.

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What is the appeal of laser mice and why are they so popular?
Whether a mouses sensor is laser doesn't matter to me. I'd rather know the sensors perfect control speed, its lift-off distance and whether or not it has correction or acceleration. But for many people, there are maybe two important properties of a sensor: type (laser or optical) and CPI (WHICH ARE SADLY THE FIRST TWO COLUMNS ON SKYLITS SENSOR LIST HINT HINT GOSH WAY TO PERPETUATE IGNORANCE). The common belief is that high CPI is better, and it just so happens that today's laser sensors are capable of higher CPI than optical sensors. This is why laser mice are popular.



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How is the razer lachesis's sensor?
That information is available in the sticky. I wouldn't recommend that mouse.
Edited by cuad - 4/13/11 at 3:14am
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I've seen some people say laser is more accurate than optical, in a way besides just higher DPI, is there any evidence to support that?
Edited by nachoz - 4/13/11 at 9:00am
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no.
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Both IR and Optical sensors are LED based. IR is just a light source.

Sensor characteristics, placement, lens, and surface material/color will depict different lift off distance.
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You have to check in the driver software. See if you can find the firmware version in the picture. It'll be like that. I don't think there's anything on the box at the store that will tell you about it.
I'm pretty sure the Abyssus doesn't have drivers. It's explicitly designed to be a "no-nonsense" mouse, which in this context means that it doesn't even have any ****ting side buttons. Regardless of the shape I probably wouldn't want to use it in every day situations without side buttons, and I even use them in certain games as well. Zowie has a better take on minimalistic mice.
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