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im using cheap generic headphones ,but 2012 my goal will be asus xonar stx ,st or d2x + hd598 or hd595 + audioengine a5 but in southamerica these things are very hard to find ,and on ebay almost all sellers only ship to USA and canada ,so shipping is too expensive. sorry english is difficult to me .
pd : hd 598 ,hd595 really need stx amp or can be driving on front panel case with titanium hd.

Then perhaps that was why your sound, sounded "muffled" wink.gif

The HD 598/595 can be driven by the front panel headphone ports with both the Titanium HD and the Xonar Essence ST/STX, the impedance is only 50 ohms.
     
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Then perhaps that was why your sound, sounded "muffled" wink.gif
The HD 598/595 can be driven by the front panel headphone ports with both the Titanium HD and the Xonar Essence ST/STX, the impedance is only 50 ohms.

ummh ,i didn´t know that .then titanium hd or xonar stx will be fine with hd598/595 .so i think will go with titanium hd .thanks a lot pal ,you were really helpful .
Edited by bravo5 - 12/28/11 at 8:04am
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ummh ,i didn´t know that .then titanium hd or xonar stx will be fine with hd598/595 .so i think will go with titanium hd .thanks a lot pal ,you were really helpful .

No problem, glad I can help smile.gif
     
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post #154 of 173
If I connect a DAC into SB X-Fi Ti HD using an optical cable in its digital optical output will I still obtain the good features for games that this sound card provides?
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If I connect a DAC into SB X-Fi Ti HD using an optical cable in its digital optical output will I still obtain the good features for games that this sound card provides?

That's a good question. I've heard yes and no but have not done it myself. Probably something for me to try in the new year, actually.
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According to ROBSCIX of Guru3D, that's exactly how it works. Use the optical out to an external DAC + amp and you'll be able to use features like CMSS-3D.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/sound-blaster-xfi-titanium-hd-review/8
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We also tested S/Pdif optical to an external DAC to verify feature availability such as CMSS-3D and EAX features over digital connection.
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RallyMaster, thank you for reply. I'm looking forward for your trying soon.

Arnotts, does that mean I can get a better digital-to-analogue stage using an external DAC than the internal DAC contained into the sound card? If so, may this cause a kind of lag or other issue in the sound of games?
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RallyMaster, thank you for reply. I'm looking forward for your trying soon.
Arnotts, does that mean I can get a better digital-to-analogue stage using an external DAC than the internal DAC contained into the sound card? If so, may this cause a kind of lag or other issue in the sound of games?
"Better" is subjective. And with the kind of DAC's you find in the Titanium HD and Essence STX, all the differences you hear between them and external DAC's will probably be very minor. Subtle differences that to some people aren't even noteworthy or audible.

The Titanium HD and Essence STX already have VERY good DAC's in them. They're sold at an excellent price compared to the external units generally as well.

So yes, you can get a subjectively better DAC, but in all likelihood it will cost you a lot more money and the gains will probably be disproportionate.

Also remember, that if you want to use an external DAC, unless it's a DAC + amp in one box, you're going to need an external amp as well. As far as sound lag and things like that, I've never read any complaints like that, but since I've never used the optical out on my sound card I can't be sure.

Hope you make a good decision thumb.gif
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Arnotts, thank you for reply.

Do you think a DAC like Cambridge Audio DacMagic isn't worth it for an amp which costs $365 or more? Would it is not disproportional -- sorry but I don't know how to say it in English -- or even nonsense to use an amp of these and expensive amplified speakers (see below) with a cheap DAC found in soundcard?

A setup that I think is:

Audio-gd C-2.2 (despite it be a Chinese brand, the community says that makes high quality audiophile products)
beyerdynamic DT 990 Edition (600 Ohms)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD
2 x Dynaudio MC 15 with Dynaudio Sub 250 MC (actually a dream and also because they are easier to be found for sale in Brazil)


The key in the choice of that amp is in the fact it has a button which when it is pushed, the amp switches between its two analogue outputs (speakers and headphones), allowing so the using the headphones and speaker simultaneously with SB X-Fi Ti HD.
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I think the DACMagic is a good DAC. But do I personally think it's worth it over the Xonar Essence STX? No. The price difference (which is around $300 from memory) didn't really result in any significant improvements imo. I only listened to the DACMagic at my local headphone store, but I didn't really hear much of a difference. They'd all be subtle and you'd need to do some double blind A/B testing, switching back and forth between DAC's to really get a measure of the difference. What a lot of people mistakenly think is a poor DAC in sound cards (like the Xonar Essence and Titanium HD) are actually very good; you'd probably need to spend a LOT more money to get an external DAC that is undoubtedly better.

I'd be careful of trusting Head-Fi opinions (which is where I'm assuming you read about Audio-GD). Head-Fi is full of inexperienced people talking about products they know nothing about. It's also full of exaggeration over subtle differences that the vast majority of people won't notice or care about.

I'd recommend that you go and have a read of NwAvGuy's blog:http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/nuforce-udac-2-drama.html
That link should also give you an idea of why I don't like Head-Fi much for solid information, and why I don't like these niche audiophile companies like NuForce and Audio-GD.

I've never heard the Audio-GD C-2.2, but personally, if I wanted to play audio from my speakers and headphones simultaneously I'd look for the Asus Essence One. Asus is a large company that posts their actual product measurements and has the buying power to manufacture their products at a good price. They also don't seem to rely on large exaggerations and hyperbole to sell their products.

If you want further reading about headphone amps and such you can probably look at more blogs by NwAvGuy: http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/gain-and-headphone-ampsdacs.html

So to ultimately answer your question, I don't think it's silly or nonsense to use the Titanium HD/Xonar Essence DAC with expensive speakers like the Dynaudio MC15's. You can get better DAC's for much more money, but the sound cards have a very good price to performance ratio.
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