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post #11 of 19
Just a friendly reminder here that $40 + $40 = $80... which is $30 more than $50

Your call OP/Elite-. Small form factor with less desk space consumption and better overall part options for a small sacrifice in PSU quality, or a full-size beast that invades your desk and thanks to cost restraints doesn't really manage to offer as much performance anyway?

I do know a PSU should never be underlooked but really... this is a web browsing/java games build, we're not going to be gaming in a way that pegs CPU & GPU at 100% load each, and all the parts are of very low power consumption especially the integrated GPU.
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You might even check ocn used area to get stuff even cheaper and maybe better parts.
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@vspec: I don't really see the need for this tower cooler esp. when a 92mm isn't a huge improvement over 70mm stock cooler and this build won't be overclocked and used only for web browsing/java gaming. Also, 2GB of DDR2 vs 4GB DDR3 for same cost (for both platform [counting combo deal] & RAM cost)... the way prices & platforms are nowadays it's not too much the way to go

OP's call here

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You might even check ocn used area to get stuff even cheaper and maybe better parts.
This might actually be a pretty good idea, and there are places like Swap Meet to get free parts (except shipping) i.e. CPU coolers and such, with exchange of course
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@vspec: I don't really see the need for this tower cooler esp. when a 92mm isn't a huge improvement over 70mm stock cooler and this build won't be overclocked and used only for web browsing/java gaming. Also, 2GB of DDR2 vs 4GB DDR3 for same cost (for both platform [counting combo deal] & RAM cost)

OP's call here



This might actually be a pretty good idea, and there are places like Swap Meet to get free parts (except shipping) i.e. CPU coolers and such
it's an oem cpu so no cooler is included.

that build seriously took 2min i have no plans to revise it.

if it's being used for web browsing and java gaming then 2gb is more than enough.
post #16 of 19
Ah, didn't notice it.... but a plain Athlon II x4 + stock cooler would cost lower here and give a better warranty option for the CPU
I've got some doubts on that mobo and safe 95W TDP operation by the way, it is a very cheap 3-phase power and over-marketed in certain areas to do things such as unlock when it really can't very safely
Edited by xd_1771 - 4/12/11 at 10:07pm
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Ah, didn't notice it.... but a plain Athlon II x4 + stock cooler would cost lower here and give a better warranty option for the CPU
I've got some doubts on that mobo and safe 95W TDP operation by the way, it is a very cheap 3-phase power and over-marketed in certain areas
Very funny that you point that out while ignoring the quality of the PSU completely. Having a PSU fail on you is MUCH worse than having a motherboard do so because a PSU typically takes most components with it when it dies. If we were to use your argument, then the motherboard is fine because this will not be stressed 100%.

Also, the HEC Blitz will offer much more expandability than the Rosewill case. It also has much better cooling.
    
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A failed PSU would be rare and unfortunate but I think it is really too big a concern here. Why school me, school the rest of the world out there buying prebuilts with even worse quality than whatever the heck's in this thing. School the people in Africa or The Philippines or Malaysia who don't even get quality PSU shipments and have to use old and not-so-reliable ones to power every build. I've seen these old low quality PSUs all over PCs in the Philippines being used in internet cafes and many of them have been going on for years with no issue in high ambient temperatures. Really, is the PSU fail-rate that high? No, the majority of the parts get a QC Pass sticker and serve their lifetime in PCs. If a company's PSU fail rate was really that high then nobody would be buying from that company at all. But Rosewill actually makes some pretty good PSUs once in awhile. They're not like Logitech or Echostar which are known to really over-rate their PSUs.

Also, I don't think expandability is a big concern here when, ONCE AGAIN, the builds will be only for web browsing and java gaming. In any case of expansion, the case supports an mATX motherboard and has other fair expansion options. Cooling being an issue when the components are never going to be overclocked and should all run within their specified temps as long as there isn't any dust blocking the intake/exhaust ports... you have got to be kidding me.

From personal experience I already know that the cooling is definitely not going to be an issue. My Antec Minuet is the older revision... i.e. no top vents right above the CPU fan for easy intake air. Inside it I was running some Dominator DDR2-1066 RAM (which always felt warm to the touch after shutdowns), a 785G chipset on a tiny heatsink that ran in the 50s idle-high 60s load, a 95W quad core Athlon II CPU that was kept well within even at 100% load by a stock AMD cooler, on a very small form factor PSU with not very much room at all for air to flow inside it, on a cheap Biostar 785G motherboard I got for free (that's visibly cheaped out everywhere i.e. tiny heatsinks and NIKOS MOSFETs all over the board), in 40C ambient temps, with no proper exhaust fan and just one intake not even near any of the other components, and it sat like that for a month while I was in the Philippnes. Nothing went over the safe temperature limits. Nothing failed. And everything is running in my dad's office now still working. The new build (with the Rosewill case/PSU) would have all the cooling advantages over this due to a better designed side panel. In addition, it was still silent. Even at 100% load in 40C ambient temps I could never hear anything coming out of the case even if my ear was about a 30cm ruler's length from the PC. Having been brought there for the purpose of HD video editing on vacation (due to school projects), it also saw 100% load very often.

Personally I would like to mutually end this as it is only consuming my time and causing me much fury and frustration. Once again, small form factor with less desk space consumption and better overall part options for a small and highly expendable sacrifice in PSU quality, or a full-size beast that invades your desk and thanks to cost restraints doesn't really manage to offer as much performance anyway? Your call, Elite-. Your call.
Edited by xd_1771 - 4/12/11 at 10:23pm
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Thanks guys for all of your inputs and seperate builds, I really wanna thank you guys for helping me out. I never really knew much about AMD and their mobos/cpus, I've only dealt with intel parts for builds and such.

Yes, there won't be need for much power for this system since its just basically a browsing computer, therefore I won't need much wattage. But when I was building mine I also chose the Antec 380w which is just fine for what I will be doing.

Also I rather have a plain old boring case that's small but size doesn't really matter as long as its cheap. It would be better if I put more money into the compents then a case.

Thanks again guys I will rep you all once I get home!
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